17-06-2004 10:53									#31
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I'm ICSing in my current game, and probably have an average of 3 per base. I am still expanding, so need more formers to prep new base sites.

	17-06-2004 11:34									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander In my current game I have 18 bases and 130 formers (clean & clean + super), in 2116. I probably had them all by about 2100 though, as I've been busy building orbital improvements, colony pods, facilities and military units for a while now.

Sik, I hope you mean 2216. I mean, doesn't the game start in 2101?

	17-06-2004 11:40									#33
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Sikander is just that good.

	17-06-2004 13:31									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Kody Sikander is just that good.

Sig material! Everyone put it in your sigs now. Except me of course, I'm too modest. Probably the most modest person I know.

Oh, and yes 2216 is the correct date.

	17-06-2004 16:34									#35
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Sure anything that draws attention away from me.

	17-06-2004 16:39									#36
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Sig material again?

	17-06-2004 16:51									#37
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quote: Sig material! Everyone put it in your sigs now. Except me of course, I'm too modest. Probably the most modest person I know.

quote: Sig material again?

Heh probably.

	17-06-2004 18:35									#38
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Sikander isn't just that good,
it's that Kody is just a little too crap.

Do the math. You can't get that many units by 2118.
If your bases double every 3 turns:
2101 2 bases
2104 4 bases
2107 8 bases
2110 16 bases
2113 32 bases
2116 64 bases

Then in 2101-2103, the 2 bases had 6 turns, making 2 pods and 4 other units. (Presume you make something every turn)

in 2104-2106, there are 4 pods and 8 other units.
...
The total 'other units' are:
4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 128-4 = 124.
Then Mind Worms eliminate all but 18 of your bases.
You only have 124 formers, not 130.

The growth presumption may be a bit off - but if anyone can show me a save with 65 bases by 2116, good luck to them!

	18-06-2004 10:44									#39
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I usually have 2 per base ASAP. Sometimes I build them in a dedicated city and home them where necessary. Coastal cities contributing one seaformer is usually enough to get by.

When time to build bholes and a serious energy park nearby established bases will each crank out a couple extra formers (current game has a large highland in the middle of the continent 5 tiles wide, perfect for 3 rows of solars separated by 2 rows of mirrors).

That probably raises the average to 3½ per base.

I haven't played MP, but against the AI a couple hardened formers can frustrate air-raids. I like the AAA mod, too (with the txt change).

	18-06-2004 15:00									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Kody Sure anything that draws attention away from me.

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	19-06-2004 17:36									#48
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	19-06-2004 17:51									#49
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To get back on topic: when do you stop building additional formers (if you ever stop) ?

	19-06-2004 18:46									#50
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Never stop.

	19-06-2004 18:47									#51
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Stop building formers when your going to fullscale war, or when you predict the game will end in like 15 turns.

	19-06-2004 18:59									#52
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Or when you have enough formers for your terraforming needs. A pure forest and forget strategy isn't going to need 2000 formers.

	19-06-2004 19:47									#53
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Pause building formers when your support costs are high (and you don't yet have clean reactors). Build new bases instead which can support even more formers. Then continue.

	19-06-2004 22:19									#54
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Hmmm, well I stop building formers when I have one per base. Am probably going to get shot for saying this...

	21-06-2004 08:39									#55
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I usually ICS it up in the early game and get 2 formers per base. With those formers, I spam the crawlers - which have good stuff to crawl.
With those crawlers, I get SPs that enable me to further ICS.
and so on until I spam choppers and win.

	21-06-2004 08:44									#56
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Well I just crossed over the 300 formers mark in my current huge-techstag game as Morgan. And yes, they are all clean. Made two energy parks, one in a protected ocean, one on a mountain near the south pole. Tried a few clean-rover formers, but until fusion they are a waste of mins to produce.

A nice game after having played the industry-crippled Spartangos for a few games to see if I could 'make' them be builders.

-Smack

	21-06-2004 17:11									#57
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If you're going to make a few elaborate formers (such as rover formers) and they're expensive to start with, don't bother adding clean at all, and just upgrade them to fusion clean when the opportunity presents itself.

	22-06-2004 05:13									#58
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I usually quit building them more or less permanently about the time I get satellites. At that point everyone is making satellites for a while and my production soars. As it does I am always getting some new great thing to build in my bases. Of course I usually have well over a hundred formers by this time, so it isn't like I don't have enough already.

	22-06-2004 11:45									#59
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Stop? Building? Formers?

Well, I recently had 2 games lock up on me about the time I'd gotten to Singularity. I'd get Terran.exe error every time I did anything except move a piece (terraform, crawl, attack). Does that qualify?

	22-06-2004 11:52									#60
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What's yer rig like?