29-05-2004 04:39									#1
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Ok, I just felt like doing this for fun.

What is acceptable for a turn time on a huge map in the late game varies a bit and I find it interesting to note the opinions.

This more of a "where do you lose patience" poll I think...



Anyway, here it is.

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	29-05-2004 07:57									#2
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*edit*

think i misunderstood the question, so... once you have 100 or so cities, at least for me, i stop being real "personal" with them and have a fairly standard method i use for all of them, as far as in what order to build things and terrain improvements, etc.

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	29-05-2004 08:08									#3
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I've spent 2 hours+ on a few turns before (1600+ un-automated workers and 400+ cities to micromanage). Sometimes it's "acceptable"... but usually I wouldn't play if the turns were more than a few minutes or so each.

	29-05-2004 08:33									#4
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I vote 10 sec to 1 min, but I will take it as long as necessary for a key game.

Aeson, that sounds like a HoF milk run to which you have to pay what ever the price.

	29-05-2004 09:12									#5
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I OFTEN spend 10-15 minutes on a turn in MID-game if I am at war or moving several units about. When I have 200-400+ units in the late game, I can easily be spending 15-30+ minutes on a single turn. Sometimes I'm not even at war, but reviewing production, micro-ing workers, diplomacy, ....

IOW, I ponder. I'm not in a race to see how fast I can finish the game.
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	29-05-2004 09:22									#6
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Is "turn time" the time between pressing space / clicking to end a turn and the time when the first unit to be moved is highlighted in for the next turn, or the time between moving the first unit on one turn and moving the first unit on the next turn (or some other measure...) ?

	29-05-2004 10:19									#7
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I voted 5-10 minutes. Sometimes I will play a crazy Sid game, where it will be around one hour a turn, but I don't do that much anymore.

	29-05-2004 10:54									#8
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Silly question once you think about it. Of course it is more preferable for the AI to finish as soon as possible. Its my game, not theirs.

	29-05-2004 10:56									#9
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To me it is the time from end of turn until you have control again.
Not when it comes back to let you select a new build for a city that finished one.

Jaybe I don't count the time I take for a turn, I may go watch a movie in the midst of a turn.

I only care about the time I have to wait for me to be back in control. I may need to come to the internet to read something during my turn, so it could take a long time.

	29-05-2004 15:42									#10
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I assumed it was about AI turn times. My own can get very long in the late game.

	29-05-2004 18:03									#11
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yes, AI turn times

	29-05-2004 18:04									#12
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meaning the time from when you click end turn to when you can move again

	29-05-2004 18:46									#13
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Up to 5 minutes depending on game size. I could cope with a little longer if I could walk off, but theres always some damn AI that wants to trade territory maps

	29-05-2004 20:45									#14
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 meaning the time from when you click end turn to when you can move again

NOW, he tells me.
It rarely takes as much as 5 minutes (except when I'm seeing a LOT of enemy units' moves/attacks) playing Rhye's of Civilization, and that's what I play these last few months. Rhye's world map is 170x170 with the full 32 civs. [edit:] Rhye's of Civilization mod is specially tuned to shorten loading and AI-turn times. [/edit]

When it takes longer, I just bear with it. No big deal.
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	30-05-2004 05:26									#15
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Sorry if my poll confused anyone. The times in the poll are from clicking end turn to when you are in control again, and how you feel about the wait times.

Once again, this was mainly started because of the "what comp can handle a 320x320 map" thread or whatever it was, and how someone said that they have no problem on their computer because it only took 10 minutes before they regained control.

I thought that 10 minutes was long, so I made up this poll to get a feel for what everyone thinks.

	30-05-2004 06:13									#16
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I'd say 1-3 minutes. The game doesn't need any more then this, it only takes longer because they STILL haven't gotten it to where trade routes are only calculated once per turn. Every time a harbor is destroyed or a road gets pillaged 2 minute wait minimum .

	30-05-2004 15:40									#17
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Anywhere from 5 minutes or below. When it gets above that it starts to get long, though I have played a few games that had turns longer than 5mins, read a book/magazine while I waited. It'll be good if you could scroll around and look inside cities and make changes and that kinda thing while its not your turn. As far as my turns are concerned, they go till i'm ready to hit End Turn.

	31-05-2004 02:59									#18
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For the AI, not too bothered how long it takes. I can let it run its stuff while I check something else out around the house.

Time I take for a turn depends on whether its MP or SP. In SP its not worth taking time to properly micromanage, but in MP I can take a long time making sure even my early stage moves are correct.It almost becomes a game of chess, thinking of actions several turns ahead.

	31-05-2004 04:35									#19
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hi ,

well the longest ever is like 8.5 min , .... anything over that would lead to a depression , .....

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	04-06-2004 22:01									#20
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During the Ancient times of the game the AI turn time is less then 5 secs, but by the Modern times the AI seems to take about 30 secs - 1 min a turn. This is a reasonable time I cant imagine waiting over 5 minutes a turn.

	04-06-2004 23:15									#21
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AI turn time: 5 minutes on a large map in the latter parts of an active game. More on a huge. (although I am currently in a game bogging down much earlier and much longer than normal. I suspect system problems).

My turns: I regularly take 15 -20 minutes a turn at some points. And I don’t delve into serious micromanagement either.

	05-06-2004 04:50									#22
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I don't mind having some time to think about strategy while the AI takes it turn. However...

is it too much to ask to get an interface that would allow me activate advisor screens/city status screens and move around the map while the AI is moving? It would seem that would solve the problem a bit..

Oh, I voted 10 secs to 1 minute. Anything past that gets me impatient or I forget things I intend to do when its finally my turn again.

	05-06-2004 05:49									#23
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I tend to agree with you Shogun.

I like your ideas, except i'm sure it could be said that until the AI moves, how can you be sure where you want to move your units?

It's almost like you have to see where the AI goes, especially in war time, before you can decide where to go.

And maybe a long time o watching tha AI move units can be useful in determining your next moves. But, who wants to watch dozens to hundreds of AI units scurry about?

Maybe a possible solution is not to show the AI move each unit, but to just have the AI move, then provide a customizable summary screen that tells of any substantial AI troop movements...

Am I rambling?

	05-06-2004 06:35									#24
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No, vee4473, not rambling. I think this is a good topic. A summary of observable enemy action would be an excellent addition to both SP and MP games. Many of my PBEM games require more note taking on my part just to track where enemy units are moving.

Regarding the ability to view information, I don't mean assign movement orders to my own troops during the AI's turn. I just want to review the differental informational screens and be able to move about the map.

	05-06-2004 18:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner I don't mind having some time to think about strategy while the AI takes it turn. However... is it too much to ask to get an interface that would allow me activate advisor screens/city status screens and move around the map while the AI is moving? It would seem that would solve the problem a bit.. Oh, I voted 10 secs to 1 minute. Anything past that gets me impatient or I forget things I intend to do when its finally my turn again.

well said old chap

	06-06-2004 23:10									#26
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Have a good book waiting and read that while AI calculates its moves

Thats what i did when played largish maps with my old computer.

	09-06-2004 12:15									#27
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3 - 5 Minutes

	09-06-2004 14:16									#28
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10 minutes+
You don't have to keep looking at the screen.
Read a book, browse the web, watch tv.

10 minutes+ turns do give you a life

The thing that bugs me is that you have to come back halftime to tell your cities what to produce.
Then you have to wait again.

Why not as in civ2, just wait some time and get movements / city production at once.

	09-06-2004 20:26									#29
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Voted 10sec - 1 minute. I like to play pretty fast (though of course MY turn actions take much longer. Several minutes, usually).

Actually, waiting 1 minute for the AI do finish up would be annoying. I'm not really very patient.

This is why I never could finish the game I started on "Marla's map." The wait got up to almost 45 minutes. The pain, the agony!

-Arrian

	11-06-2004 17:28									#30
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1-3 minutes.

The biggest problem with the AI turns is that they move every unit every turn.... and in circles.