30-05-2004 23:44									#1
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hi. i just bought civ3 conquests and i'm playing a custom map. for some reason i couldn't get to the city view (city graphics where you can see your city improvements, wonders, etc). none of my "civ-content" games has the city view option! i can't even view the palace. is it just me or what? thanks for any help.

	31-05-2004 01:12									#2
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They disabled it outside of the Epic game, to cut out the need for extra artwork for the Conquests and scenarios.

	31-05-2004 01:30									#3
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The city view was boring anyway.
The bigger the city became, the more the same it stayed....

	31-05-2004 01:53									#4
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By epic they mean a game you get from normal start or quick start as oppossed to a custom scenario map.

	31-05-2004 02:38									#5
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Is the palace realy dsabled too? I didn't think that...

	31-05-2004 03:08									#6
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the palace is enabled and the same as vanilla c3

	31-05-2004 04:19									#7
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well thanks for the replies. i thought i did something wrong there. kind of a shame that it's not included though, it's true there's really not much use for it (i didn't even notice it til today_ i bought the game last week), but it was nice to look into your city once or twice. too bad they didn't include it.

	31-05-2004 12:34									#8
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i always hated the city view...

(always thought a city of 5 million shouldnt look the same as a city with 30,000...)

	31-05-2004 19:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist They disabled it outside of the Epic game, to cut out the need for extra artwork for the Conquests and scenarios.

Not totally true. The artwork itself wasn't the big problem (although the artists were very busy getting units and leaderheads cranked out, as well as the art for the campaigns that didn't make the final cut). The problem is that the number of 'slots' for artwork on that screen were hardcoded (as well as the file names, IIRC). This would have taken the programmers a bit of time to fix (and programmer time was very much at a premium at that time on the project - they were working on much higher poriority issues).

The short answer as usual is time and money. Firaxis and Breakaway were given a fixed budget and schedule to deliver Conquests. Priorities had to be made.

	01-06-2004 01:09									#10
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They do have a habit of hardcoding stuff that shouldn't be, don't they?

	01-06-2004 10:42									#11
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I just hope that in civ4 they'll make a city-screen that actually works. The civ 1 screen was great. It gave a perfect idea of how big the city was.

And of course the marching soldiers when you conquered the city was a cool sight as well!

	01-06-2004 11:29									#12
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy And of course the marching soldiers when you conquered the city was a cool sight as well!

They were great.

	01-06-2004 11:59									#13
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Did somebody already start a petition to get them back in civ4?

	01-06-2004 12:22									#14
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I don't know. You maybe should start your lobbying campain in the civ future forum.

	01-06-2004 12:36									#15
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That forum is death, AFAICS.
One day some firaxis guy said the word 'civ4', then a whole lot of civ-community started to produce lists etc.

And since then tons of list-material has been produced, but no firaxis guy has mentioned the civ-4 word again.

I'm afraid they're still reading through the list-material

	01-06-2004 13:31									#16
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Well, that forum is for future civ, so a campain for bringing back old stuff in future games should belong there and not here.

	01-06-2004 15:59									#17
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Yeah, I know that.
But I'll wait untill the civ4 hype will be higher, and firaxis guys will visit these forums again.

It makes no sence to post it, and see it drop to page 4596 where no firaxis guy will ever read it

	01-06-2004 17:54									#18
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The problem is that when they start hyping Civ4 it'll be too late, most of the design decisions will already have been made. If you want to have an impact on Civ4, now would be the time to post ideas. Firaxians have told us numerous times in the past that they're keeping an eye on our suggestions, there's no reason to assume they've stopped doing so, even if they don't actually post anymore.

	01-06-2004 18:24									#19
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Oh well, I'm sure they're still reading these forums as well, thus I guess they'll pick it up here as well.

	02-06-2004 15:14									#20
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy And of course the marching soldiers when you conquered the city was a cool sight as well!

And it WAS so cool just checking on your city view every now and again and feeling that pride at its new growth.

Remember the people parading past on WLT*D? That was great too!

	02-06-2004 15:33									#21
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Ok, that's it, now I'll install civ1 again

	02-06-2004 15:47									#22
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Get yourself CivWindows, it's just a little bit easier to deal with. I made sure my old games including Civ have been backed up on a CD. My favourite CD of all time, as it has so many classics on it...

	02-06-2004 15:49									#23
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You know that cd's get damaged during time.....
make sure you backup the backups every 5 years!

	02-06-2004 20:31									#24
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all this talk is making me depressed.

games shouldn't regress like this...

	03-06-2004 16:00									#25
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Nostalgia ain't bad, as long as you're looking forward too... you can BET Civ4 will have an even more improved version. And of lots more than just the City view too.

	03-06-2004 16:14									#26
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 all this talk is making me depressed. games shouldn't regress like this...

Civ didn't regress. It became better and better.
But of course it lost some cool features as well.

The city view is one of the least important features. It's pure nostalgia. I'd chose civ3 always over civ1.

But civ1 is a game I played when I was 16!
Those were the days!

	03-06-2004 16:24									#27
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy But civ1 is a game I played when I was 16! Those were the days!

Hey, Civ introduced me to History, when I was 11. Golden years indeedy....

	03-06-2004 17:24									#28
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The civ1 city screen was better in the way that a large city actually *looked* like a large city. But the way wonders and building moved around each time you opened the screen somewhat lessened the value of this screen...

The marching troops were cool though :vik:

	03-06-2004 17:39									#29
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quote: the way wonders and building moved around each time you opened the screen somewhat lessened the value of this screen...

That was because you viewed at the city from a different perspective everytime