31-05-2004 07:38									#1
	How to get water to a land tile? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

In Call To Power if you had a forest and wanted to have farms for the growth, you had to make a "roadway system" of terraformed tiles from either a river or some body of water..(i.e. ocean,lake,river) to the city....

Is this the same basic application here in CIVIII:Conquests?

I forget what its called in Conquests, but its the 3 squiggly lines..maybe "irrigation" if I remember correctly?

Thanks in advance for helping a "Convert-in-Training"

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	31-05-2004 08:10									#2
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Yes, its called irrigation. You can't irrigate forests thought, you first have to cut them down, and if they are next to fresh water (rivers or lakes) or another already irrigated square then you can irrigate.

	31-05-2004 08:17									#3
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by GePap Yes, its called irrigation. You can't irrigate forests thought, you first have to cut them down, and if they are next to fresh water (rivers or lakes) or another already irrigated square then you can irrigate.

Thanks GePap

Basically same as CTP..if no water body then bring the water, 1 tile at a time to them

Ok..back i go!

L8tr


GT

	31-05-2004 08:36									#4
	Remove this text

The fresh water requirement is key. You can't just irrigate from an ocean. You can only irrigate from rivers or fresh water (inland) lakes. After the discovery of Electricity you can irrigate anywhere regardless of fresh water, but that's pretty far into the game.

	31-05-2004 09:14									#5
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Good luck GT

	31-05-2004 16:54									#6
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Good luck GT

Thanks..I am an older type dude and lots of information for this old dawg to injest!

BUT..I will learn..Hey sicne your post about me posting soo many attachments..I am almost 24Hr Sobreity attachment free

(ahhhhh..them little smiles-icons work for a quick pick-me-up!!)


And I'llBdarned..Thanks for the inofrmation regarding the OCEAN BODY OF WATER!..In CTP it doesnt matter..but in real life it would

Ok..back at it!

Grandpa Troll

	31-05-2004 17:06									#7
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Thanks..I am an older type dude....

Yeh, we can tell by the picture of your grandson on your avatar

Welcome to civ and welcome to Apolyton....may your civving days be long and hard and may you not suffer at the hands of the AI Stack of Doom!

Oh, and speaking as someone who has never played CTP, Civ3 is heaps better!!!

	31-05-2004 17:49									#8
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Yeh, we can tell by the picture of your grandson on your avatar Welcome to civ and welcome to Apolyton....may your civving days be long and hard and may you not suffer at the hands of the AI Stack of Doom! Oh, and speaking as someone who has never played CTP, Civ3 is heaps better!!!

I am actually a longer Apolyton type..I started as DrDanger..(I am from High School Days of the 70's when Dr J Julius Irving was big..so got nic named Dr Danger.)..then switched in 2000 to Troll..as a joke because i was having fun in many threads...making a jest out of someones stupid remarks..someone called me a Troll..like it... kept it..then Ming the Man gave me this title as a Christmas Present this past year!

Ok..well..thanks for the welcome

And to tell you the truth..I am really having fun here with CIV III Conquests!!

Ya'll have a good day and for the most part I am harmless...mean no harm EVEN when I post a "Spirited" message of intent exposing my viewpoits....

(Oh and yeah..I want to disclose to the local probation officer and Sherriff..i am a two time offender.. )

Once in Solver-Hall

Once in Mingapulco

Peace

Grandpa "The-Rehabilitated"Troll

	31-05-2004 17:54									#9
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Oh, and speaking as someone who has never played CTP, Civ3 is heaps better!!!

So basically, your opinion isn't based on anything...

	31-05-2004 18:11									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by hexagonian So basically, your opinion isn't based on anything...

Which qualifies him as a Typical Apolyton poster

Grandpa Troll

THIS IS BASED UPON ME READING THOUSANDS OF POSTS!!

But for real..we have a really kewl community here!!

	31-05-2004 19:14									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Oh, you can use cities to bring water as well. Normally, this doesn't mean very much, but if you found a city on a hill that is next to fresh water, which cannot be irrigated, then all surrounding tiles are considered to have access to fresh water.

	31-05-2004 19:18									#12
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Goethe80 Oh, you can use cities to bring water as well. Normally, this doesn't mean very much, but if you found a city on a hill that is next to fresh water, which cannot be irrigated, then all surrounding tiles are considered to have access to fresh water.

Which brings another interesting question?

Does anyone build on a mountain near water..for bonus of production?

Or does the mountains not give that in this game?

In CTP I would take a mountain tile because of the X2 bonus for the tile that your sitting on and then give great prodcution..and live on the surrounding land!

Not great for growth but excellent for production!

Peace

GT

	31-05-2004 19:32									#13
	Get a bigger avatar today!

welcome (back) mr Troll.

you cant build Cities on montains in conquests (epic games anyway im fairly sure you can build cities on mountains in the age of discovery scenario).

and lets see how much fun you are having as you watch those houres whizz by as you sit infront of your PC and contemplate whether its more benificial to assign that new citizen in your city to a mined grass or irrigated plains

	31-05-2004 20:14									#14
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by hexagonian So basically, your opinion isn't based on anything...

Exactly. I was just trolling the Troll

	31-05-2004 22:00									#15
	Get a bigger avatar today!

In Epic C3C, cities are not possible on mountains and marshes.

	31-05-2004 22:13									#16
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist In Epic C3C, cities are not possible on mountains and marshes.

Now please dont laugh too loudly..BUT..

what is

EPIC C3C?

I am taking your talking about CIVIIIConquests..but the "Epic" part??

Is this a scenario?

Thanks

Grandpa "The Unenlightened One" Troll

	31-05-2004 22:14									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Exactly. I was just trolling the Troll

Man..that bus just went right on by my stop

Ok..I missed an opportunity to troll myself

GT

	31-05-2004 23:59									#18
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Epic = not a scenario. The alternative being a Conquest or fan-made scenario.

	01-06-2004 00:00									#19
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Epic = not a scenario. The alternative being a Conquest or fan-made scenario.

Appreciate that!

GT

	01-06-2004 01:15									#20
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Grandpa "The Unenlightened One" Troll

Being unenlightened and a troll is kinda redundant, not?

And as he says, the "Epic" game is the basic, non-modded one.

	01-06-2004 01:24									#21
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist quote: Grandpa "The Unenlightened One" Troll Being unenlightened and a troll is kinda redundant, not? And as he says, the "Epic" game is the basic, non-modded one.

But I am not just "any" Troll..

I am Grandpa Troll..and with that comes senility. Thats just a compounding factor in being a troll and unenlightened!

Peace

And thanks to all for the help!!

GT

	01-06-2004 03:54									#22
	Tired of ads?

If you where in high scool in the 70's you are too young to be called granpa.

	01-06-2004 03:58									#23
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 If you where in high scool in the 70's you are too young to be called granpa.

Thanks

Actually ..as my Grandson is just 15 1/2 months old..he hasnt quite called me that YET!!

he is with us this evening..hes a mess!

I am soo blessed to have him in my life!

Peace

GT

	01-06-2004 10:30									#24
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

hehe, I used to have a screenie of one of my ai opponents irrigating across about 30 tiles of desert to get water to his civ. Unfortunately, I've formatted since, but I used to look at it every once in a while to remind me that I should NEVER EVER lose to the computer.

	01-06-2004 19:09									#25
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Which brings another interesting question? Does anyone build on a mountain near water..for bonus of production? Or does the mountains not give that in this game? In CTP I would take a mountain tile because of the X2 bonus for the tile that your sitting on and then give great prodcution..and live on the surrounding land! Not great for growth but excellent for production! Peace GT

you can't build cities on mountains (or marshes for that matter) in normal c3c games. also, the terrain that you build on makes no difference to your food and production in your city tile (but you do get bonus commerce if you build on a resource such as gold).

The only exception to this is when your traits give you certain terrain dependent bonuses (1 extra food in city square if the city is next to fresh water during despotism and anarchy if you have agriculture, extra commerce if the city is by the coast and you have seafaring; nb. the agriculture food bonus applies to all cities if you're in any other government).

Finally, you do get defence bonuses if you build a city on a hill. I'm not sure if you get the bonus from building on other terrains (forests, jungles, etc). I don't think so, but I may be wrong.

	01-06-2004 23:23									#26
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Goethe80 ... Finally, you do get defence bonuses if you build a city on a hill. I'm not sure if you get the bonus from building on other terrains (forests, jungles, etc). I don't think so, but I may be wrong.

You think right building a city on jungle/forest clears the tile, giving you flatland defence bonus only(10%?)

	02-06-2004 20:02									#27
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Lakes: if the body of water in encircled by your landmass is big enough, if acts like sea and/or ocean and can’t be irrigated.

	02-06-2004 23:40									#28
	Inflate your Upload Space

It acts like the ocean if it has sea or ocean tiles. If there only are coastal tiles, it will act like fresh water no matter the size.

	02-06-2004 23:43									#29
	Full PM-box? Change here!

No, there is a certain point of size where even all coast tiles will be like an inland ocean. I don't remember the exact size; 20 tiles, maybe?

	02-06-2004 23:46									#30
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

You sure? I believed it was the shape that was most important. Once you got more than 3 tiles across, sea/ocean would show up.