31-05-2004 08:25									#1
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Has anyboody seen this? A whole tv cahnnel dedicated to video gmaes?
I was doing the insomnia thing last night, and what do you know I turend to what was once techtv, to find this crappy "channel". Terrible reporting, and even worse are the "anhors" who try w/o any skill at all, to lok casual, relaxed, and unrehearsed. Quite a terrible investment overall. does anybody have any comments on this crap?

	31-05-2004 09:13									#2
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G4 TV isnt all video game IIRC. They do tech stuff too, just like they did during techTV.

Media sucks when it comes to educating people in general, but especially in video games... its soo stupid and shallow. They have absolutely no ****ing idea what they are talking about. Its all done by people that wanna look like they know but just make an idiot out of themselves by getting all the facts wrong.

	31-05-2004 10:52									#3
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ya, web stuff is jsut fien for getting all ofthe video gmae updates I nedd.
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	31-05-2004 14:10									#4
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Get used to it.........a circuit is beginning to form for some games, and the age of the pro gamer isn't far away (it's already here in some countries like South Korea). I've been watching a live feed of the Warcraft Masters tourney recently, and this kind of stuff will hit the screen in less than 10 years IMO.

	31-05-2004 14:53									#5
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quote: I've been watching a live feed of the Warcraft Masters tourney recently, and this kind of stuff will hit the screen in less than 10 years IMO.

table-tennis isnt enough?

	31-05-2004 15:06									#6
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g4 does suck compared to techtv. so far at least. at least they kept the screen savers and call for help didn't they(it doesn't seem to be on as much though)? all the original g4 shows suck more or less with stupid costumes and crappy reporting/acting plus most of the people look so bored. the only g4 programming i've be able to find interesting is the e3 report with 2 fairly interesting guys, and a documentary on the chronicles of riddick(even though this wasn't very good).

	31-05-2004 17:59									#7
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I kinda like it. That Diane Mizota is a hottie. Filter I think is the name...where it ranks games based on viewer votes.


I also find the show rather informative when they discuss games that are in the works and in the pipeline as well as haivng interviews with some of the big playa's. I saw one episode (i think it's called "Legends" or something close to it) and they went over the career of Brian Reynolds, Sid Meier, and Jeff Briggs.

Very good and the interviews done by them for the program were really interesting.

	01-06-2004 00:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Get used to it.........a circuit is beginning to form for some games, and the age of the pro gamer isn't far away (it's already here in some countries like South Korea). I've been watching a live feed of the Warcraft Masters tourney recently, and this kind of stuff will hit the screen in less than 10 years IMO.

help me here. If i want to see, say, humans killing orcs, i can rent Lord of the Rings, and get narrative elements, character interaction, not found in a game. Games sacrifice other elements to get the INTERACTIVITY other media lack, which is why they can be so gripping. And Im supposed to turn on the TV and WATCH, without ANY INPUT from me, two or more people playing a GAME against each other, one that models a genre widely available in more traditional narrative forms? this makes no sense to me.

	01-06-2004 00:24									#9
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I understand where you are coming from, but you are coming from the wrong angle entirely IMO. I watch and enjoy such events in exactly the same way as I do sports.

Now some sports I watch because I play them, and like to see professionals competing in the same game, albeit at a much higher level. Some sports I just watch, and don't play.

A 1v1 between 2 top players in WC3 at this stage will not interest non players, but it very much does interest WC3 gamers.

I may get attacked for it, but a well matched series of games between 2 top players can be as exciting as any sporting final that takes your fancy.

What is more, the big tourneys in Korea (the gaming mecca) already attract 1000s of spectators, and they have TV channels dedicated to showing games from tourneys also.

Believe me, the time will come, albeit not for a few years yet.

	01-06-2004 00:31									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I understand where you are coming from, but you are coming from the wrong angle entirely IMO. I watch and enjoy such events in exactly the same way as I do sports. Now some sports I watch because I play them, and like to see professionals competing in the same game, albeit at a much higher level. Some sports I just watch, and don't play. A 1v1 between 2 top players in WC3 at this stage will not interest non players, but it very much does interest WC3 gamers. I may get attacked for it, but a well matched series of games between 2 top players can be as exciting as any sporting final that takes your fancy. What is more, the big tourneys in Korea (the gaming mecca) already attract 1000s of spectators, and they have TV channels dedicated to showing games from tourneys also. Believe me, the time will come, albeit not for a few years yet.

I dunno. Im watching sports, Im watching a PHYSICAL matchup between people who can do things I could never do. I suppose the problem is that I see games as essentially an interactive model of a real life situation, or else a form of interactive fiction, more than as an abstract competition. I think weve been over that before, no? I mean I did follow the Fisher -Spaasky chess tournament (yes, Im VERY OLD) but Chess, is well, different. Its like SO abstract. And even then its not something Id watch on TV very often. I mean kibbitzing around a table in real life is different, thats social. Still, I think I see your point.

as for the Koreans, well, every nation and culture has its eccentricities, so I'll try not to say anything derogotory about those OTHERWISE sensible people,

	01-06-2004 00:39									#11
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Well if it's about interaction surely you should enjoy playing sports but not watching them? You say those players are capable of things you are not - this is just as true of gaming. Granted there is little physical element in gaming, but I submit you are not watching most sports because people are physically better than you, but because they are much better than you at the game in question. Only some sports require extreme physical fitness.

If you understand why people watch football, or golf, or snooker, or any sport then you should understand why people watch gaming tournaments.

	01-06-2004 00:46									#12
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Also I'd suggest its possible your thoughts are clouded by being predominantly a SP addict. MP is much different, and just like any sport, it doesn't matter how silly the activity is (I mean, kicking and throwing and hitting balls around is hardly meaningful) what matters is the competition. That is what draws people to sports, whether playing or watching.........that last gasp moment of brilliance in the dying seconds that turns the game around, resilience under extreme pressure, these are the things which draw people to sports, and equally, I submit, to MP gaming.

	01-06-2004 01:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike If you understand why people watch football, or golf, or snooker, or any sport then you should understand why people watch gaming tournaments.

To be quite honest, Ive never really understood watching golf. Or auto racing. Really Baseball, American Football, and (occasionally) basketball are about the only sports I'll watch on TV. Ice Hockey or Lacrosse in person. And the olympics, but more for the atmosphere and water cooler conversation.

	01-06-2004 04:28									#14
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quote: Get used to it.........a circuit is beginning to form for some games, and the age of the pro gamer isn't far away (it's already here in some countries like South Korea). I've been watching a live feed of the Warcraft Masters tourney recently, and this kind of stuff will hit the screen in less than 10 years IMO.

Yeah they have the world computer games competitions.

	01-06-2004 04:33									#15
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quote: g4 does suck compared to techtv. so far at least. at least they kept the screen savers and call for help didn't they(it doesn't seem to be on as much though)? all the original g4 shows suck more or less with stupid costumes and crappy reporting/acting plus most of the people look so bored. the only g4 programming i've be able to find interesting is the e3 report with 2 fairly interesting guys, and a documentary on the chronicles of riddick(even though this wasn't very good).

G4 just plain old sucks. The kids in my drama class ARE better at acting for the cmaera than these douchebags that they have.
WHile some pieces of it are informative, I was doing fine w/ the crap spewed by Adam and Morgan on X-Play(formerly Extended Play, when they had the ugly redhead.)
Video games don't nedd a f***ing channel. I remeber hwen Sega tried launching their own tv network. what crap!!!!
it is bad enough that people live for video, nad computer games, but now that hter is a channel, we're doomed.
I wish Tyler Durden could raise his army and save us all before things get any worse.

	01-06-2004 04:37									#16
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quote: Now some sports I watch because I play them, and like to see professionals competing in the same game, albeit at a much higher level. Some sports I just watch, and don't play.

This is what i was going to say, so why bother.
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quote: Really Baseball, American Football, and (occasionally) basketball are about the only sports I'll watch on TV

Well, there you go, I rather watch a Britney Spears movie then to go through any of .......

eugh what, sorry, must have dozed there.
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many people already are pro and there are many tournaments with pretty high money prizes to be found.

A shame there's none for civ3 'cause I know a couple of people who aren't half decent at it.
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	01-06-2004 04:40									#17
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In terms of sports, I only watch prowrestling from time to time. Even that gets old. SPorts are pointless, a waste of your time.

	01-06-2004 10:05									#18
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You mean like posting on a computer game's message board?

	01-06-2004 11:18									#19
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Not totally, I liek the OT forum, b/c people post new articles and stuff from time to time, and so I see it as a supplement to reading hte paper.

	01-06-2004 11:24									#20
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Another thing,
W/ webforums, you cna't really get "obsessed" and start to memorize statisitcs, and watch whole tv channels devoted to it. SPorts has its own section in the paper! imagine if web forums did!
Headline: "Fez Flames Commie in the OT!"

	01-06-2004 11:58									#21
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i did not say wether or not it was intelligent, or successful, but using Tassdarian logic, it would be headlines if Fez were to beat a commie!

	01-06-2004 19:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear In terms of sports, I only watch prowrestling from time to time. Even that gets old. SPorts are pointless, a waste of your time.

nah, baseball is an art, its like listening to the symphony.

	01-06-2004 20:20									#23
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quote: W/ webforums, you cna't really get "obsessed" and start to memorize statisitcs

mmmbwooah

* alva thinks there are many forum obsessed people to be found................................................. .elsewhere of course, deffinately not here!!!!

	01-06-2004 20:32									#24
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i find awesome wc3 matches(read: the really eye popping ones) more fun and engaging to watch than to play it. that's mostly because i suck though but i can appreciate the skill in top players(most no skilled players probably can't do this). i woudn't suck if i had a faster pc a good net connection though.

quote: SPorts are pointless, a waste of your time.

bah, have you ever played on a competitive sports team? some of the most fun i've ever had were football, baseball(just barely for baseball), soccer, and of course quake(it's a sport too!).

	01-06-2004 21:02									#25
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quote: Originally posted by pg (it's a sport too!).

	02-06-2004 03:56									#26
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quote: bah, have you ever played on a competitive sports team? some of the most fun i've ever had were football, baseball(just barely for baseball), soccer, and of course quake(it's a sport too!).

Yes, since I was about five, until seventeen, when I realized what a waste of time they are.

	02-06-2004 23:04									#27
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Games are sports. Sports are games. I come from THAT angle of view.

IMO, everyone should know by now is opposite of LoTM's. Interactive fiction's POV is stupid IMO. Look at metal gear solid for ps2, that game had good story but its like boring as hell to play. That game is epitome of a game that is just for interactive fiction element...

but i guess everyone has their own opinions.

quote: help me here. If i want to see, say, humans killing orcs, i can rent Lord of the Rings, and get narrative elements, character interaction, not found in a game. Games sacrifice other elements to get the INTERACTIVITY other media lack, which is why they can be so gripping. And Im supposed to turn on the TV and WATCH, without ANY INPUT from me, two or more people playing a GAME against each other, one that models a genre widely available in more traditional narrative forms? this makes no sense to me.

You're watching two opponents trying to dick each other with strategies in competitive play. So if you dont understand the mind game behind it, its really hard to appreciate a good match. Same goes for sports, except that you may be able to appreciate something eye candy-ish and flasy (athlethic skills etc), same goes for game with big combos and flash, but what really is entertaining is how two people play and how they psychologically deal with strategies thrown agst them. you wont see that unless u understand the game.

	02-06-2004 23:09									#28
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear ya, web stuff is jsut fien for getting all ofthe video gmae updates I nedd. penny-arcade uber alles!!!

I meant media as in gamespot, gamefaqs and IGN as well. They know jackshit about videogaming.

ur best bet is in gaming communities. cause they know their ****.

If you want to know about civ, poly for ex. I'd not trust some idiot from gamespot to really know anything about civ related stuff now would you?

oh and yeah gabe is a scrub too, but thats another thing...

	04-06-2004 00:57									#29
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wats a scrub?

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