09-06-2004 06:37									#61
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12-06-2004, Group A:
Portugal - Greece 1-1
Spain - Russia 0-1

13-06-2004, Group B:
Switzerland - Croatia 0-2
France - England 2-1

14-06-2004, Group C:
Denmark - Italy 0-1
Sweden - Bulgaria 2-0

15-06-2004, Group D:
Germany - Netherlands 1-0
Czech Republic - Latvia 3-0

A:
Portugal
Greece

Spain fails as usual

B:
France
Kroatia

England higly overrated as usual.

C:
Italy
Sweden

Sweden for once looks pretty damn good. 3 rather equal teams behind Italy...

D:
Czech Republic
Germany

Germany wins as the underdogs...few believes in them...

	09-06-2004 07:53									#62
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So champion predictions so far:

France 6
Netherlands 5
Portugal 4
Italy 2
England 1
Croatia 1
Germany 1
Spain 1
Denmark 1

And I thought I could be original by predicting Netherlands

	09-06-2004 11:05									#63
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So, nobody is making fun of me by chosing Pierre van Hooijdonk as the topscorer?

Everybody else is picking Henry/van Nistelrooy.....
how much fun is such a topscorer sytem

I'll tell you, after 60 minutes Holland faces a 2-0 against Germany. Then van Hooijdonk comes in, he scores 3 times (2 free kicks)

From that moment on he'll be playing from the 1st minute on. No need for Holland to play good football. Just make sure you oftenly fall in front of the 16 meter so that Pierre can score 19 free-kicks.

That's all we need
Remember who told you first

	09-06-2004 11:21									#64
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Pierre is not a name for a Euro topscorer. A waiter in the VIP lounge perhaps, but never a topscorer.

	09-06-2004 12:12									#65
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You'll see

	09-06-2004 12:35									#66
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Cyber,
Your choice for Van Hooijdonk is either incredibly stupid or incredibly genius, only time will tell. (I see a big role for Van Hooijdonk in the Dutch team, but not in the role one would expect -- I understand Advocaat has been secretly training him for a different one, the question is if he'll have the guts to actually use him as such in real matches.)

quote: Originally posted by Winston Pierre is not a name for a Euro topscorer. A waiter in the VIP lounge perhaps, but never a topscorer.

That's why we call him Pi-Air

	09-06-2004 15:40									#67
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Put your hands up for Pi-Air!

	09-06-2004 15:44									#68
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I don't know if I put up an entire hand for Pi-air, is a finger enough?

	09-06-2004 16:33									#69
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European Champion: Netherlands
Top Scorer: Pauleta
A1 Portugal
A2 Spain

B1 England
B2 Croatia

C1 Denmark
C2 Italy

D1 Netherlands
D2 Czech Republic

12-06-2004, Group A:
Portugal - Greece 4-1
Spain - Russia 1-0

13-06-2004, Group B:
Switzerland - Croatia 0-0
France - England 1-2

14-06-2004, Group C:
Denmark - Italy 1-0
Sweden - Bulgaria 2-0

15-06-2004, Group D:
Germany - Netherlands 0-2
Czech Republic - Latvia 3-1

16-06-2004, Group A:
Greece - Spain 1-1
Russia - Portugal 0-2

17-06-2004, Group B:
England - Switzerland 1-0
Croatia - France 0-0

18-06-2004, Group C:
Bulgaria - Denmark 0-0
Italy - Sweden 2-1

19-06-2004, Group D:
Latvia - Germany 1-1
Netherlands - Czech Republic 1-1

20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal 0-0
Russia - Greece 1-0

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England 1-0
Switzerland - France 1-0

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria 2-0
Denmark - Sweden 1-0

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia 2-0
Germany - Czech Republic 0-0

	09-06-2004 16:48									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin I don't know if I put up an entire hand for Pi-air, is a finger enough?

No, the phrase was taken from the song "Put your hands up in the air", by the Black & White Brothers IIRC.

So you'll have to put both hands in the air for Pi-air :

	11-06-2004 17:25									#71
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Ok, I surrender: make van Nistelrooy my topscorer.

	11-06-2004 17:53									#72
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I've decided on Milan Baros as my top scorer.

	11-06-2004 18:19									#73
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Ok, I surrender: make van Nistelrooy my topscorer.

What, you have no confidence in Advocaat? Oh wait, I see your point...

	11-06-2004 18:33									#74
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ok, I don't get the joke Locotus.........
I'm sorry.

	11-06-2004 18:42									#75
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Here are all my predictions together. Hopefully I can draw the group top places correctly from results I made myself, can someone check ?

Champion: Spain
Top scorer: Morientes

12-06-2004, Group A:
Portugal - Greece 2-0
Spain - Russia 2-1

13-06-2004, Group B:
Switzerland - Croatia 0-1
France - England 1-1

14-06-2004, Group C:
Denmark - Italy 1-2
Sweden - Bulgaria 0-1

15-06-2004, Group D:
Germany - Netherlands 0-1
Czech Republic - Latvia 3-1

16-06-2004, Group A:
Greece - Spain 0-2
Russia - Portugal 2-3

17-06-2004, Group B:
England - Switzerland 3-0
Croatia - France 0-2

18-06-2004, Group C:
Bulgaria - Denmark 1-1
Italy - Sweden 2-1

19-06-2004, Group D:
Latvia - Germany 1-0
Netherlands - Czech Republic 2-2

20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal 2-3
Russia - Greece 2-0

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England 1-2
Switzerland - France 0-3

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria 4-0
Denmark - Sweden 0-0

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia 1-2
Germany - Czech Republic 0-3

Which gives, if I make it right:

A1 Portugal
A2 Spain (yup, my champion bet losing to Portugal in group )

B1 France
B2 England

C1 Italy
C2 Bulgaria (suprise bet )

D1 Czech Republic
D2 Latvia

	11-06-2004 20:13									#76
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quote: D2 Latvia

you actually know that Latvia is not Germany or Holland, do you?

	11-06-2004 20:20									#77
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12-06-2004, Group A:
Portugal - Greece 1-0
Spain - Russia 2-1
Portugal
Spain

13-06-2004, Group B:
Switzerland - Croatia 0-1
France - England 1-2
England
Croatia

14-06-2004, Group C:
Denmark - Italy 0-2
Sweden - Bulgaria 1-1
Italy Bulgaria

15-06-2004, Group D:
Germany - Netherlands 0-1
Czech Republic - Latvia 4-0
Czech
Netherlands

Top scorer: Scholes
Winner: Spain

	11-06-2004 20:22									#78
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quote: you actually know that Latvia is not Germany or Holland, do you?

Yeah . Wouldn't bet on Germany get out of that group, not by any rate. Holland has a chance, but less than Latvia.

	11-06-2004 20:41									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Holland has a chance, but less than Latvia.

I know you're cheering for your own team and everything, but even you must know Latvia's chance to survive that group far, far less than the Netherlands' or Germany's chances. It's not completely impossible for them to go through, but certainly bloody unlikely.

	11-06-2004 20:42									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: you actually know that Latvia is not Germany or Holland, do you? Yeah . Wouldn't bet on Germany get out of that group, not by any rate. Holland has a chance, but less than Latvia.

Ah, you're from Latvia.
Oh well, go ahead and support your team

	11-06-2004 21:06									#81
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	11-06-2004 21:10									#82
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I reckon Latvia have more chance than Germany.

	11-06-2004 21:21									#83
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Cyber and Locutus,

Firstly, I couldn't NOT predict that for Latvia. They're my country team, after all. As for how realistic the chances are. Theoretically, I rate them third in that group, the very weak Germany being fourth. However, what leads me to believe that Latvia might indeed take the second spot and not Holland, is the fact that the last Dutch matches have been uninspiring, to say the least. Whereas Latvian team isn't crap as it used to be, but actually plays nice football, and we do have two decent scorers. Nothing like Nistelroy, of course, but we don't have the same problems that Dutch do .

	11-06-2004 21:40									#84
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Have you seen Latvia's own recent friendlies? Not exactly to be proud of either.

But what's more, the Netherlands *always* does poorly in the road to the tournament, it's tradition. It didn't keep us from getting to the final in '74 and '78, winning in '88 or getting to the semis in '92 and 2000. It also lead to us not getting out of the group stage in '90 and failing to even qualify in '02. You simply can never tell in advance how well the Dutch will do based on a few practice matches, it can always go either way. (Note also that before last week's matches, the Netherlands hadn't lost it's last 25 friendlies or so -- and most of those were against countries of the likes of France, Spain, England, Brazil, etc.)

	11-06-2004 21:50									#85
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Edwin v/d Sar injured his hand yesterday and is questionable for the match against Germany.

	11-06-2004 23:24									#86
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European Champion: France
Top Goal Scorer: Theirry Henry
(I will use Euro style dates to not confuse)

12-06-2004, Group A:
Portugal - Greece 2-0
Spain - Russia 2-1

13-06-2004, Group B:
Switzerland - Croatia 1-1
France - England 3-1

14-06-2004, Group C:
Denmark - Italy 0-1
Sweden - Bulgaria 2-1

15-06-2004, Group D:
Germany - Netherlands 2-3
Czech Republic - Latvia 3-0

16-06-2004, Group A:
Greece - Spain 0-2
Russia - Portugal 1-2

17-06-2004, Group B:
England - Switzerland 1-1
Croatia - France 0-4

18-06-2004, Group C:
Bulgaria - Denmark 0-2
Italy - Sweden 1-1

19-06-2004, Group D:
Latvia - Germany 0-2
Netherlands - Czech Republic 3-1

20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal 1-2
Russia - Greece 1-0

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England 0-1
Switzerland - France 0-1

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria 2-0
Denmark - Sweden 1-1

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia 2-0
Germany - Czech Republic 2-1

A1: Portugal
A2: Spain

B1: France
B2: England

C1: Italy
C2: Denmark

D1: Netherlands
D2: Germany

	11-06-2004 23:52									#87
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You know, Locutus, Latvia's friendlies inspired me more than Holland-Ireland .

And, anyway, I am going to keep hoping and believing to the best of my ability that we do it .

	12-06-2004 00:33									#88
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Drawing 2-2 with Azerbaidjan is hardly inspiring.

	12-06-2004 00:55									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Solver You guys are going to be surprised a lot in group D. Much as I love the Dutch team, I don't believe they will make it out of the group this year. I think the Czezchs and Latvians will.

Aren’t the Czechs the one complaining about the new ball being used hurting their chances? That this seamless ball doesn't slow down enough once touching down after a long kick, hurting their long ball game? I’m counting them out. They’re psyched out before they even get there.

	12-06-2004 01:17									#90
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LOL, don't know if they are complaining about balls, but their performances have been surprisingly good. Actually, they were a surprise in 96 as the Euro finalists. They also passed the qualification to Euro04 now very impressively.