06-06-2004 09:40									#31
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this is actually much harder than i thought it would be to pick just one. personally i'm having a hard time deciding between ff6, morrowind, and fallout 2. it's hard because as a kid i adored ff6 but i have a feeling it'd bore me to tears now just like all the other ff games do. morrowind is great but at higher levels it is seriously easy. fallout 2 is near perfect but it lacks replayability even if it is pretty long.

i'll have to pick fallout 2 in the end. if morrowind was better balanced and remained challenging throughout i'd pick it instead. i hope tes 4 fixes this...

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	06-06-2004 10:24									#32
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I guess I'll have to be different and name the ORIGINAL Fallout . It had a better story than its sequal, IMO. It was just perfection. I was looking to get Diablo, then I read the back of Fallout's box and picked it up. Smartest decision I ever made.

	06-06-2004 11:07									#33
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yeah but after you've played fallout 2 fallout isn't nearly as good. plus they also have the same story more or less.

	06-06-2004 11:46									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I guess I'll have to be different and name the ORIGINAL Fallout . It had a better story than its sequal, IMO. It was just perfection. I was looking to get Diablo, then I read the back of Fallout's box and picked it up. Smartest decision I ever made.

I totally agree. The time limit also heightened the tension. Every subquest, you had to wonder "do I have time for this?".

Fallout 2's story seemed more like a series of episodes patched together and filled with in-jokes and there was no sense of urgency.

	06-06-2004 11:51									#35
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor ah yes, KOTOR is good - has an epic soul, but it is somehow - too simple? for my taste. I am still going to finish it at least four times more.

4 times!

I have played it twice through. I have done every quest.

Although after reading the preview for KOTOR2 in last month's Computer Gaming World, I'm in the mood to play again

	06-06-2004 12:11									#36
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quote: I totally agree. The time limit also heightened the tension. Every subquest, you had to wonder "do I have time for this?".

Yep. Indeed. The time limit, and just finding out what the Hell was going on here was great. In Fallout 2, you had some idea of what was happening, even if the end was suprising.

quote: yeah but after you've played fallout 2 fallout isn't nearly as good. plus they also have the same story more or less.

You shitting me? Same story, wha? Fallout was way better than the sequal, IMO.

	06-06-2004 12:38									#37
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Fallout and Fallout2. Fallout 2 had so many cool things. New Reno being one of them. Gauss rifles being the other .

But Fallout 1 had a better plot. I always though the idea of a G.E.C.K. was a bit far fetched. Even for a futuristic game. So that's why I go with the water chip for Fallout1. But I like it when you get to the Vault City vault in fallout 2 and find all those water chips

But Fallout 2 had such cool towns as Broken Hills, New Reno, Vault City, NCR.

Fallout 1 had necropolis which I thought was real cool the first time I played. I also like the hole.

They both were such great games. Fallout 1 had a better storyline, and a better mood and feel to the game. Fallout2 just had more cool stuff.

I call it a draw.

	06-06-2004 13:23									#38
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Ah, I think a better storyline and atmosphere will always win over a game with more 'cool stuff' . The first time you realized where all the *you know what* came from was pretty suprising. That and the leader of the cult.

	07-06-2004 04:01									#39
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KOTOR was great, but I have yet to succumb to the addiction to these crappy Final FNatasy games, so I can't say for sure.

	07-06-2004 05:05									#40
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PC:
- Baldur´s Gate (1, 2, exps)
- Planescape Torment
- NWN: the 2 exps, not the main one, wich was ok but wasn´t that great.
- FFVII

Consola:
- Chrono Trigger

	07-06-2004 18:36									#41
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2nd edition was always my favourite, although I haven't played the third. Anyone remember the short-lived WFRP? It was fun to have a different world, but it was too complicated with all of the different stats, and the jobs system tended to restrict character development.

	07-06-2004 18:58									#42
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Its hard to narrow down to an individual game, but if we can choose a series it would be either a nostalgic nod to 'Alternate Reality the City'+'Alternate Reality the Dungeon' on the atari 8bits. These games i have spent more total hours playing than any other to date.

Or the Elder scrolls games(arena/daggerfall/Morrowind) - Bethseda are getting better at these games all the time, and hopefully the fourth in the series will be something really special.

Out of these two i would have to give the Morrowind series the vote for offering one of the most immersive computer 'rpg' experiences i've had, and also one that i find easier to 'role-play' than any other rpg(in that it is very open ended and free form).

	07-06-2004 19:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah, I think a better storyline and atmosphere will always win over a game with more 'cool stuff' . The first time you realized where all the *you know what* came from was pretty suprising. That and the leader of the cult.

I loved Fallout as a once-through adventure with superb storyline much in the same way as Planescape: Torment, but in that race I would give highest honours to PS:T. Fallout 2 wins over both in replayability as far as I am concerned. There really is no way you can do everything or see everything in one play through. I'm still not sure I've found everything you can do with the scorpions' reading glasses even after a dozen runs through. That kind of attention to detail facinates me even when the core plot is a well travelled road. It was also substantially longer, and in a game where I'm enjouying every minute, longer is definitely better.

	07-06-2004 23:24									#44
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did anyone play fallout 2 before fallout 1? it'd be interested to know which they think is better. fallout 2 is kinda spoiled by the fact it's a sequel and you discover the basics in fallout 1. i found the geck story line as believable as the water chip(which in both cases was just barely, i mean think about it).

	15-06-2004 00:36									#45
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Ultima IV through VII

Baldur's Gate II

Planescape: Torment

I have yet to encounter a RPG I like better than these.

	15-06-2004 00:44									#46
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Best RPG? Not a tough choice, since I've only found one RPG I like: Fallout 2

* Adagio hopes someone can point me to some other RPG game that doesn't have anything to do with magic

...and it should also be a game where you're not the chosen one...

	15-06-2004 17:27									#47
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	15-06-2004 20:02									#48
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Mhrmm.... MegaTraveller1&2? Battletech: The Crescent Hawks Inception? I'm having to go back a long way to think of non-fantasy games.

There are the System Shock games, tryly awesome but not quite true RPGs.

	15-06-2004 21:07									#49
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There's KotOR. No magic, just the force.

	15-06-2004 21:12									#50
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My fav is MM6 of course.

	15-06-2004 22:43									#51
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Twilight 2000?(rpg apocolyptic near future war type game).
The Pen+Paper game that this was based on was much better of course

	16-06-2004 00:24									#52
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Dragon Warrior 4 on the NES is by far the richest RPG I have ever played..5 convergent sotrylines, one of which is getting enough money to set up a weapons shop for one character

IN terms of RPG tactics, nothing comes close to Ogre Battle.

	16-06-2004 04:45									#53
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DW4 was pretty good for a console, but the fact that you could only control your character in battles in chapter 5?

DW3 was the highpoint, tying in the first two games, imho. I miss erdrick, I like stories that continue through games and lands.

	16-06-2004 13:05									#54
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When you say no magic ADG, what about superhero powers?
I'm not sure if there are any PC games, but there was talk of that MMORPG City of Heroes (is this right?) a while back in this forum, and I remember playing one in the mid 90s with pencil and paper.

	16-06-2004 19:18									#55
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Exile

	16-06-2004 19:22									#56
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Morrowind!
Um, maybe that ancient old shareware game Realmz. I used to love that game. Wonder what happened to it.

	16-06-2004 21:19									#57
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel DW4 was pretty good for a console, but the fact that you could only control your character in battles in chapter 5? DW3 was the highpoint, tying in the first two games, imho. I miss erdrick, I like stories that continue through games and lands.

I found the story in 4 much more engrossing, the world is much bigger and diverse, plus chapter 3 is a hoot.

The second one was very innovative, but they made it open ended and it suffered from that. I agree DW3 was great, but the story of 4 made me a fan.

	16-06-2004 22:53									#58
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york When you say no magic ADG, what about superhero powers? I'm not sure if there are any PC games, but there was talk of that MMORPG City of Heroes (is this right?) a while back in this forum, and I remember playing one in the mid 90s with pencil and paper.

Super-heroes is fine... it's just the time all those magic games take place... this is why I loved Charmed, but hate lotr

I've had a look at City of Heroes, though I can't afford to pay USD$15 per month