05-06-2004 15:17									#1
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Does anyone here play this game?

	05-06-2004 15:53									#2
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I do.


I haven't really played it much in a while, though... I was kind of waiting for 1.04. But maybe I'll try out the beta patch in the mean time.

	05-06-2004 17:00									#3
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What is Viccy ?

	05-06-2004 17:13									#4
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Victoria.

Or Vichy, but I've not heard of a game based around the wartime puppet French government.

	05-06-2004 19:37									#5
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I have it and I play it quite often.

The 1.03 beta patches seem to get rid of the most prominent bugs and problems.

	06-06-2004 03:37									#6
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I played it for a while.

	06-06-2004 04:06									#7
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Not playing it right now, but probably will once I get tired of CK....if HoI 2's not out by then.

	07-06-2004 02:16									#8
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I played it for a while. It has the same problem as all the paradox-games from my point of view. I really want to like it, but I can't keep my interest up.

	07-06-2004 04:52									#9
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I think it's their best game. Mostly since it's very well rounded - the economic aspect of the game is very engrossing in its own right. That's really what prevents me from enjoying CK as much as Vicky; CK's wars aren't anything special, and yeah, the marriage engine is cool, but so is Vicky's politics engine. HoI had a similar (and worse IMO) affliction since all it has going for it is the military aspect of the game. The revolutionary difference is economics, and it outshines everything I've ever seen in a computer game. Yes, it could be better (its Stalinist way of dealing with industry isn't at all historical, and one is unable to make specific trading arrangements with certain states), but its not bad for their first attempt at making such a game. Can't wait till Vicky 2.

	07-06-2004 05:01									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Can't wait till Vicky 2.

If there's ever a Vicky 2, that is...doesn't seem likely in the near future, given the fact that the sales were apparently rather "disappointing"....it's certainly a shame, especially given that Victoria was much more stable out of the box than basically all other recent Paradox games. Guess it was too complex for people.

CK's not even in the same league...it's fun, that's why I'm playing it, and 1.03 will probably fix and/or reduce the magnitude of most of the current complaints, but its long term playability is lacking.

	07-06-2004 13:50									#11
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It is rather difficult to get into though. I wanted to start with a small country so that I could micromanage and see the effects of various policies. First try as Belgium - they start out at war. Ditto Mexico. Then I try some random island off the coast of Italy. No income tax, minute costs for police and education, import costs thousands of times higher than the controllable portion of the budget. Bankrupt within days.

I guess I will try as Britian or Russia.

	07-06-2004 14:23									#12
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Belgium's war in the beginning is hardly a problem. It's just about keeping those nasty dutch at bay for some time and then things will work out just fine! The real problem with Belgium is that it has a very limited labour supply and only one neighbour with the right national groups (subjects of your countries main culture(s) is twice as productive) that might be worth conquering - and that's France...

The problem with Britian and Russia is that they are huge. There's so many things going on that you'll probably lose control of it. Prussia might be a better alternative.

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Oh, and I might add: The economy will probably be bad, no matter what country you start out with. You just have to keep your empire on a tight budget and keep a close eye on your net gain until you achieve industrial take-off (ie, huge exports of something quite valuable, like furniture).

	07-06-2004 21:07									#14
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Brazil's always good for beginners... there's a step-by-step guide for playing Brazil over at the Paradox forums somewhere.

As for Belgium, it's fun unless it happens to be one of the few games where Germany actually forms... then it gets sort of painful. I was crushed by them, despite having an alliance with the UK, France (who was also allied with Spain), and Scandinavia.

	09-06-2004 05:31									#15
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Skanky, I would heartily recommend playing as the UK to start with.

Although it does control a huge empire most of their territories aren't independent states ergo they don't support factories you have to worry about and most of the convoys carrying raw materials are already set up.
Your prestige rating gives you first choice from the WM, most other countries want to be your best friend, and you do have the time to start to sort things out before your first war (probably the opium war against China).

It's an absoutely brilliant game once you really get into it.

	18-06-2004 00:04									#16
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I play it from time to time, but I mostly play CK these days.

	18-06-2004 01:37									#17
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Great game, very deep and incredibly detailed yet fun to play!

One of Paradox's best,,,,,,until HOI2 comes out that is!!!

	18-06-2004 01:58									#18
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Nah, while it's good, it's nothing against EU2 and CK IMHO.

	18-06-2004 17:06									#19
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I have to admit that Vicky is the only Paradox Game that never got me addicted... I played as Sweden, Prussia, China, Mexico and Austria but never managed to reach a dominating position...
While this is historically correct and realism at it´s best, it kinda turns me off for I know I´ll never do it right

The one game when I played USA and got kicked by a revolting CSA and a warmongering Mexico was the last one for 5 months now (although hearing you talk about it tempts me to reinstall Vicky...)

I still think HoI(C.O.R.E.) and EU2 are better in terms of fun and gameplay as well as in keeping up interest. I am playing EU/EU2 since 5 years now and I still have the latter installed (never went off my disk)

	18-06-2004 17:17									#20
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Sounds like you need to change what you're doing to do better. Have you read the guides at the paradox boards? Memnon, Darkrenown, and one other guy there give great advice.

Vicky is a deep game that has a steep learning curve but once you master just a few basics you'll be on your way to victory. The difficulty of mastering this game is what makes it stand out from their other products.

	18-06-2004 19:58									#21
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Here's the guide for playing Brazil for beginners that I made reference to earlier: http://www.europa-universalis.com/f...ad.php?t=133428

This was written before 1.03b however, so some parts of it may no longer be relevant. But 99% of it should still apply, if not all of it.

	19-06-2004 04:38									#22
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The bad part of Vicky imo is that it is very front-loaded. If you play the first few years perfectly its vastly easier afterwards. At least in EU1/2, CK and to some extent HoI (1936) you can dither around at the start learning the ropes without messing yourself up.

	19-06-2004 23:24									#23
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I like complicated in depth games and viccy was just too much for me.

Especially I hated not being able to directly control colonization or trade.

And colonization is SO EXPENSIVE I bankrupted myself as UK trying to colonize Canada.

	21-06-2004 02:58									#24
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Thats the thing about getting the first few years right. Make a perfect industry model for profit or expansion and you're 5x or 10x better off than someone who is just slowly and carefully expanding.