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Picture my reaction.

Transcend level, playing PKs as a OCC on a standard map. Its about 2330, and the Uni are just finishing the Voice of Planet next turn. I'm a bit behind them in tech, but as my energy park got eaten by Morgan's borders expanding, I'm not too concerned... I have a Plan B.

UN Headquarters is FILLED with all the crawlers that used to be on the energy park - about 50 of them, upgraded to Fusion and Silksteel at least. As soon as the Uni finishes the Voice of Planet, I'm going to cash them all and steal the Ascent to Transcendance!

I press End Turn, and get ready to cash them. Dee suddenly lands a great stack of elite singularity infantry next to UN HQ, kills the defenders, the supply crawlers (which I thought would at least slow an attack - but they seemed to "dissapear" as collateral damage) and captures my one base. Game over man, game over.

I nearly put my fist through the screen.

-Jam

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Its why I love this game . . . just when you think it can't suprise you, it does something to suprise you

Were those troops dropped in ?? If so did the AI use the blink ability to get around your aerocomplex?

Tough luck Jamski-- The last time I lost to the AI I didn't even come close to winning ( I played double-blind research as Miriam and got stuck on an island for a hundred years -- OUCH)

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Did you get the 'whisle' movie then, Flubber? Only happens when an AI faction Ascends AFAIK.

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I don't know exactly what kind of troops they were. They were drop troops, and elite, but they flashed up so fast that was all I could read. Yes - I use fast combat resolution. Yeah - since they were Elites they could have been unloaded from the IotD just off my coast and attack the same turn, or used blink to bypass my Aerospace Complex, perimiter, tachyon etc...

Anyway - the point of this thread was to laugh at my bad luck.

-Jam

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-I'm on Jamski's ignore list, so react to this post as if I mocked and ridiculed him.-

We'll surprise him!

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And that's why I check up on you at random

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Did you get the 'whisle' movie then, Flubber? Only happens when an AI faction Ascends AFAIK.


There is a special movie?

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I think I know what movie you're talking about. I saw it in the Scenario Editor, but I think it's only on Crossfire, or maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing, but in what I'm talking about you appear to be a person walking in the middle of no where when you look up and see the Ascent to Transcedence thing, with that weird looking thing rising up in the middle of those 7 other weirdo people in a circle. I feel winded, even though I only typed that, probably because I'm wrong...oh well...

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So anyway, Jamski, I thought you were, like, legendary or something...

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Certain units are always destroyed when they are the only ones remaining in a stack, even when they are in a base. The only ones I know of for sure are supply crawlers and probe teams. Incidentally, they are the only inherently clean units, so maybe the designers didn't want huge barricades of cheap, support-free units.

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Everyone can have a duff game I was tempted to quit after the sea levels sank, bringing Morgan's seabases to the surface, and occupying my energy park. Its so hard to protect an energy park in OCC, and you really have to have one

-Jam

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Certain units are always destroyed when they are the only ones remaining in a stack, even when they are in a base. The only ones I know of for sure are supply crawlers and probe teams. Incidentally, they are the only inherently clean units, so maybe the designers didn't want huge barricades of cheap, support-free units.


Ah! That explains why my crawler army failed to save me. I never tried to stack them in a base for defense before.

-Jam

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Did you get the 'whisle' movie then, Flubber? Only happens when an AI faction Ascends AFAIK.


Not that I recall-- The AI did not transcend. I lost to a Spartan conquest when my little arid island was invaded by the Spartans with planes and missile rovers. I never got a chance to probe away anything and was dead in something like 3 turns from the time I made first contact with any outside faction. In that game it was literally a century before ANY AI came calling. I also had no rivers or monoliths so it was fun fun fun.

I did go back to my 2101 save of the game and try again. This time I sacrificed a bunch of units to get the WP and raise land until I ran into someone. With the ability to trade, the game turned into a typical crush of the AI.

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@ Enigma_Nova and Jamski.

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I nearly put my fist through the screen.


Why is it that I find this extremely hilarious?

Oh well......

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I've never seen the AI pull tactics like that Jamski, then again I haven't played Transcend yet. I'm playing the difficulty right before Transcend and after applying the rush to IA + mass crawl strategy among others, the AI has been playing a hopeless game of catch up.

The AI doesn't even seem to use supply crawlers, which I'm wondering how they can even hope to beat a human opponent who knows how to use them? Maybe they are hoping you play with random events on, and betting on your founding base being taken out by a meteor

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Try playing with only one base - it adds a certain frisson to the game... ...the AI can basically come and destroy you in a single turn whenever they want - you have to beat them from your borders and use millions of crawlers. If they manage to land waves of troops by your base... you simply cannot compete production-wise.

-Jam

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Ah, not entirely true, Jamski. One advantage of the Angels and Morgan, use of probe teams. I have done quite a few games on Trascend that were OCC. Two units that need to be stockpiled: probe teams and missiles. Also, psi is very good, too. Using missiles to kill, psi to bipass technology, and probe teams to reverse engineer and turn on the enemy, and trust me, you won't need no energy park or crawlers. Oh, and flechette defenses are good to get early on, too, because of those PBs...

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Try playing with only one base - it adds a certain frisson to the game... ...the AI can basically come and destroy you in a single turn whenever they want -
-Jam


I can't agree with this. I have had several OCC games where I was NEVER in any jeopardy and transcended while most of the AI was still picking lint from their respective navels. I usually manage manage to scoot into a pretty good tech lead-- I had one game where it was just funny to see an AI attacking my armored trawlers (with a 4 reactor) with fusion units. If the AI knew to use the self-destruct tactic I would be worried a bit but generally they can't make it through the crawlers to even get near my base--

Ohh and in any OCC, I put up 4 or more ODPs if any AI even shows a hint of building a PB

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OCC = One Command Center?

Why would you play a game with one base? To satisfy any masochistic tendencies?

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Why would you play a game with one base? To satisfy any masochistic tendencies?


Because it is fun and it is far far too easy to win in Single-Player without setting some restrictions on yourself

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I'm currently trying the All SPs challenge, which seems to be harder than the OCC for the first 100 turns or so. It forces you to ignore many beelines, and go for techs with projects instead... tis good fun

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Nice idea with the probes - that was another restriction I was usuing. Look up the old "rules" - no units with an attack value greater than 1, no probes, no PBs, etc...

-Jam

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I think I know what movie you're talking about.


Yeah, you're correct. That's the 'lost on Transcendence' movie, Commy.
Obstructor, you can view that movie in the scenario editor.
Choose the Scenario Editor and somewhere in the top half of the list you find a tab for viewing the SP movies. It's somewhere in the lower side of the movielist.

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Choose the Scenario Editor and somewhere in the top half of the list you find a tab for viewing the SP movies. It's somewhere in the lower side of the movielist.


Really? I've always just used the little program that is found in the movie folder.

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yeah - it's smax only

Start as if to load a game, but hit "Scenario", then "Create Scenario". A sea-only map will appear

Go to the left hand menu and choose "Scenario", then about half way down "View Movies"

Now select "Empty Secret Project 38" It's the movie you get when a pactmate transcends

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The video is in classic to, but it's far easier just to go to the movies folder, the one were someone else transends (dosn't have to be a Pact Brother) is theytransend. The folder also has the opening video for both games (if you have SMAX) and all the Secret Project videos

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Why would you play a game with one base? To satisfy any masochistic tendencies?


Because it is fun and it is far far too easy to win in Single-Player without setting some restrictions on yourself


Why not just change the rules so its harder or make an imposible faction with strictly negitive atrabuts?

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Because OCC is a kind of "traditional" challenge. Beat the AI only using 1 city as a pure builder. Its always been a favorite of mine since playing Civ1 on the Amiga. Its a simple, focused challenge.

BTW, does anyone have a copy of the challenge "rules" anywhere?

-Jam

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It was in this thread It no longer exists - Guess I'll have to trawl the archives.

-Jam

 
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