19-12-2000 19:40									#1
	Mozilla 0.6 and Apolyton Enter the AD-FREE zone

I have just found that Mozilla came out with a new version, 0.6, which is supposedly same as Netscape 6. I am downloading it now. Has anybody used it to browse Apolyton? Any comments?

	22-12-2000 08:07									#2
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Nobody has used it? You can download it from the Mozilla website

	22-12-2000 09:02									#3
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Downloading it now... Hope it's better than that !@#!@#@!#! Netscape 6!

	22-12-2000 09:52									#4
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At first glance, it seems to be better than Netscape 6.. haven't used it for very long though... so I'll wait a bit to give a better judgement.

At least my go-box doesn't seem to be jumping around on my screen anymore................

................

edit: and the minute I post that, my go box is on the other side of the screen
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Narck (edited December 21, 2000).]</font>

	23-12-2000 08:05									#5
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Ok.. It totally SUCKS

Did anyone else notice how badly it messes up the Apolyton message boxes? I can't even properly edit my msgs anymore.

	23-12-2000 08:51									#6
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At least the screen fonts are bigger than the one in Netscape. I can also enter my messages fine.


So far so good.

EDIT: I don't seem to have any problems editing my messages either, and my pull down menu (the "Go" box) is fine.
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	23-12-2000 12:23									#7
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Works great for me. Running the Linux binaries on a heavily customized Mandrake 7.0, kernel 2.4.8.

I've already found it more stable than old Netscape 4.7, and finally I can get the the most out of java and flash without crashimg my browser. Moz.6 has quite a memory print when its running, but I threw in another 256M DIMM a few weeks back, so I've got plenty to spare now. As for performance, it easily beats in speed any version of IE or Netscape I've used with this hardware on any OS. The 56k line isn't exactly blazing with any browser, but this beats old 4.7 for sure. I haven't found any clitches in the interface yet, but the browser still crashes occasionally when weird content is thrown at it (one of the banners on Apolyton trips it before the first image loads fully. Somebody had a thread on it here...).

If you still use Netscape 4.7x, the Moz 0.6 is deffenitely worth the download.

	25-12-2000 10:04									#8
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Narck,


You're right. I have problems editing long passages directly in a textarea box. It's a bad practice to do so anyway, though they should fix the bug


As many posters have found out it's better to use a text editor to enter long messages, since your brower can crash at any time (IE included).


Another bug is I don't get to see the previous posts while relying even if the thread contains less than 25 messages. *shrug* Yeah it still got bugs, that's why it's version 0.6 .


K.,

Been lurking around here?

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited December 25, 2000).]</font>

	25-12-2000 10:18									#9
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 12-25-2000 12:04 AM</font>
As many posters have found out it's better to use a text editor to enter long messages, since your brower can crash at any time (IE included)
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Yeah, I do that, usually. If I don't do it, I copy my text to the clipboard before submitting. But now it's hard to select all the text because of Mozilla messing up something in the text box...

I don't like it very much... btw, could someone tell me where the location bar is hidden in this browser?

	25-12-2000 10:28									#10
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Right after I posted above I got the Hop to Go Button problem again. This is what it looks like:
http://narck.webjump.com/Apolyton/GoBox.jpg

Where is my Go button? And I couldn't even click on the Hop To field to try and select another Forum...

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Narck (edited December 25, 2000).]</font>

	26-12-2000 05:05									#11
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Ugh... stick to IE, people! Fight the good fight!

	26-12-2000 05:24									#12
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Haha, the browser screws up your apolyton experience? Haha, I hate to say it but all that does is point to one sided coding.

	26-12-2000 14:14									#13
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Narck,

Hm, that looks weird. Mine looks all right, though I am using the "Modern" theme. You could try to see if that helps you any. To set the theme, go to the "Preferences" menu.

What location bar are you talking about?

	26-12-2000 17:58									#14
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 12-26-2000 04:14 AM</font>
Hm, that looks weird. Mine looks all right, though I am using the "Modern" theme.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>I have modern theme as well...


<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>What location bar are you talking about?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>The one that is normally near the top of the screen, where we can type in web addresses... I don't have it and can't find the option to turn it on... using bookmarks to get to Apolyton.

	28-12-2000 17:13									#15
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Oh that. That's really messed up. What OS are you using? First thought is to deinstall and install again.

	28-12-2000 20:39									#16
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I always have preferred IE myself and I think I will stick with it by the stories I seem to be reading here...

	29-12-2000 00:44									#17
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Jeez!

You guys know what? It's not the browsers fault! When designing a site, one should always use Netscape browsers to check it, as they adhere to the standards set forth with the latest html code revises. IE is a laymens browser.

	29-12-2000 04:34									#18
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Apostle 83 on 12-28-2000 02:44 PM</font>
Jeez!

You guys know what? It's not the browsers fault! When designing a site, one should always use Netscape browsers to check it, as they adhere to the standards set forth with the latest html code revises. IE is a laymens browser.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
What Narck is describing has nothing to do with coding HTML whatsoever. It's obviously a bug in Mozilla...

	29-12-2000 04:42									#19
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Here's what my mozilla 0.6 looks like:
http://narck.webjump.com/Apolyton/Mozilla.jpg

I reduced the size of the file to 53K for faster loading, it's not too clear but will do for noticing I don't have a location bar which indeed has nothing to do with HTML coding

	29-12-2000 04:51									#20
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Using Windows Me, btw...

I would do a reinstall... if I hadn't deleted the installation files

	29-12-2000 05:00									#21
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Oh wow, I just discovered that I can still visit any url by opening the web location box (ctrl-L)

(don't laugh, I never knew that option existed )

Ok, I can live with this browser now... at least until a newer version comes out.

	29-12-2000 05:25									#22
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>Using Windows Me, btw...
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
Aha, asking for troubles...

	29-12-2000 07:44									#23
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Narck,


Ah, using Windoze Extra Strength . That could be the problem. I had no problems using it on Windoze Regular, NT, and Linux.

Provost,


Use IE? Are you mad? Did Billg pay you? Last time I started Internet Exploder on a Windoze machine with both Mozilla 0.6 and ICQ 2000B already running, it crashed the computer. It was frozen so badly that &lt;ctrl&gt;&lt;alt&gt;&lt;del&gt; wouldn't work.

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited December 28, 2000).]</font>

	30-12-2000 00:58									#24
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 12-25-2000 12:04 AM</font>
K.,


Been lurking around here?
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited December 25, 2000).]</font>
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

On and off... Currently on. I'm mostly in the Civ3 section now.

Moz.6 still working fine for me. The only times it has crashed is with some of the goofier banner adds around Apolyton, but since none of them seem to be in circulation right now, I have no porblems with that. Since the previous versions of Netscape for Linux were awfull with java and flash, this is considerable improvement. Wheel scrolling also works without any hacks, yay!

One thing I would complain about is the apparent lack of proper encryption in 0.6 for Linux. Most secure sites that use SSL refuse connections from my Moz client, and I have to revert to old Netscape 4.7 to access the sites. A real pain when shopping, for example. I wasn't able to find the security settings in the Moz preferences. Either they are yet to be implemented, or my system disables them for some odd reason. I think I'll look into it on the Moz site. I'll keep you folks posted on this...

Oh, there's one more weird thing... For some odd reason the lines on top and bottom of all the quotes are flashing on some of the forum pages, usually on those I've just made a post on. Looks really weird. A reload usally takes care of it, but it still annoys the hell out of me.

I've also tried the Win (98 runnin in a VMWare virtual machine) and MacOS clients. Both run quite smoothly, although start up quite slow. I don't know if either of those clients have similar encryption problems as the Linux one.

	30-12-2000 09:52									#25
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Kumiorava,

C'mon, we can all read the Mozilla website now, can't we? It says that to use SSL, you need to download a plug-in.

Though even after I downloaded it still can't get into Hotmail. *shrug*

	30-12-2000 10:43									#26
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Ouch... Do'h. Maby should have checked the site earlier. Thanks UR. You got me big time there.


*Kumi chokes in his own saliva and goes download plugin*

Edit: So, feeling like a total idiot, I went to the Moz site and proceeded to install the PSM plugin (a 3rd party piece of software, free but closed as far as I could tell). The whole thing went quite smoothly. So I restarted Moz, and with high hopes atempted to acces my e-mail account through it's web-based interface. Moz promptly froze, and I had to kill it. So I tried one of my Hotmail scam accounts. Same thing. After trying two more sites, it appears to me that the particular plugin is bugier than Windows ME. At least the Linux version turned out to be useles, and actually made Moz more unstable while increasing the memory footprint. Could be that some hack might make it work, but I don't have time to mess around with it.

So I guess I'll just have to do without SSL until a proper plugin is churned out for Moz. There's also an open source Moz PSM project under works, 'though I have no idea what it's state of development is.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Kumiorava (edited December 30, 2000).]</font>

	01-01-2001 14:16									#27
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i open the machine for the first in the new millenium, connect to my isp, open ie for browsing, open mozilla for mail. type apolyton.net on ie, it loads. click on misc section, does nothing. alt+ctrl+delete, close ie. repeat process. same thing.
ok.
it's time to try the browser part of mozilla once again (now in version 0.6)

so far it's good...

the hop-to box works fine

	01-01-2001 19:39									#28
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Kumiorava,

Ah, bad programming. It didn't work with Hotmail either, as I indicated, though I haven't seen Moz freezing on me. Yet.

	01-01-2001 20:43									#29
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Reinstalled the program, still doesn't work for me.
No location bar.

Hop to Field:

In 50% of the cases it will work fine, in 25% it will "freeze" meaning I cannot click on it, it's just another graphic on the page, in the remaining 25% it will "jump" to the top of the list if I click on it, which is annoying if I, for example, am in the Apolyton forum, and want to hop to the OT forum, I then have to scroll all the way down because the list reset to the top.

	02-01-2001 18:00									#30
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Maybe a problem of you using Windows Me, Narck. It's quite stable on NT and 9x.