09-06-2004 22:35									#31
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You guys are simply impossible. Why don't I suggest that a team mod should be nominated by somebody and then be elected by everybody in the team by polls? (Yeay more polls.) Is that an entirely revolutionary idea at all?

	09-06-2004 22:37									#32
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I suggested that already if you pay attention to my posts

	09-06-2004 22:38									#33
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For the Spartans? Who ever heard of the low-ranking soldiers being allowed to make decisions in these so-called polls.

	09-06-2004 22:48									#34
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obs started to think that his posts have been ignored by HongHu ... Nah, I read every one of your words obs. You just need to learn how to read the mocking tunes from ones posts.

	09-06-2004 22:52									#35
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That I cannot learn. Unfortunately I can pickup tunes only from my mother tongue.

	09-06-2004 22:58									#36
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I used a big word "revolutionary" you know, implying that it isn't so really.

But alas, English is not my mother tongue either, so I may have not expressed myself very well. My apologies.

	09-06-2004 23:07									#37
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What dialect HongHu ?

	09-06-2004 23:09									#38
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Manderian. You?

	09-06-2004 23:13									#39
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Erm, stokavian (don`t ask).

	09-06-2004 23:21									#40
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you speak Erm???

	09-06-2004 23:26									#41
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I speak erm dialect of ermian, yes

	10-06-2004 00:46									#42
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quote: Because CyCon and PUT didn't use any fora besides Apolyton and thus we joined each other's forum here, the Hive was immediately aware of our unification.

Though it *kind of* worked both ways, too

quote: . Hive and Drones could keep it a secret though by moving to another forum, which of course gave them a huge advantage in diplomacy.

And I support it. Any faction should be able to conduct its internal affairs on another forum, and really: Who can stop them? Are we to pass a rule that you can't talk about the ACDG on any forum but Apolyton?

	10-06-2004 02:19									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar And I support it. Any faction should be able to conduct its internal affairs on another forum, and really: Who can stop them? Are we to pass a rule that you can't talk about the ACDG on any forum but Apolyton?

I guess I was wrongly under the impression that this was an Apolyton ACDG. Either every faction's main base is on Apolyton, or either we state right from the start that we can place our main bases of discussions everywhere (Why is this forum still needed then?). But one faction's forum being here (and thus its members visible for everybody else) and a second faction's forum somewhere else secret gives the second faction a diplomatic advantage that isn't a consequence of using smart in-game-related diplo tactics, but rather of abusing meta-game information.

	10-06-2004 02:31									#44
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I do think in the early stage when two factions made contact, Googlie has been providing a private forum for the two teams, which is not at Poly. As far as I remember the Hive CC embassy is not at Poly, and we have utilized it quite frequently for a period, without the CCs opposing it.

	10-06-2004 02:39									#45
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While we've had off-site embassies, our domestic *main base* of discussion remained at Apolyton. The embassy's purpose was discussion interfactional affairs, not intrafactional affairs and plans. It was clear who was CyCon, PUT or PEACE.

	10-06-2004 02:51									#46
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Yeah, and it is going to be this way for the next game isn't it?

	10-06-2004 02:55									#47
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quote: I guess I was wrongly under the impression that this was an Apolyton ACDG

If we want to be sarcastic....I was under the impression that this was a democracy

quote: Either every faction's main base is on Apolyton, or either we state right from the start that we can place our main bases of discussions everywhere (Why is this forum still needed then?).

The main forum is needed so that the factions all have a place to spam talk about matters relating to the ACDG.
However, theres no need to have the private forum here on Apolyton. Sure, you won't be able to see the members list of the other factions forum, but...Oh well. IRL, no country can get the entire list of citizens from another country
But for me this is mainly a unification issue: If two factions want to unify, they should well be able to unify. Why not? Because it gives the faction an added advantage? It's a legitimate tactic: cooperating with a rival in order to defeat other rivals. Unification just takes it to another level where *everything* is shared.
And again, unifications have happend IRL as well.
We can try to ensure that some things are equal, but lets not go to the point where we limit everything in order to give everyone an equal chance of winning.

	10-06-2004 03:05									#48
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Tass I thought no coop victory is already decided. Are you trying to reopen another can of worms?

	10-06-2004 03:06									#49
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No. I'm just saying a unification (ie complete share of all information, exchange of forum members, etc) should be allowed.
Since co-op isn't allowed, it would make it really interesting. Imagine, these two factions share everything, and then they have to go to war with each other at the end!

	10-06-2004 04:20									#50
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Well, with the knowledge that only one can win, who in their right minds would do that? I mean, I might see the appeal of such if it were a temporary thing, but even that's a stretch...

	10-06-2004 07:24									#51
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Exactly. So whats the point of even outlawing it?

	10-06-2004 10:59									#52
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Although if two factions united, in the endgame all that need happen is everyone decide which faction they want to win, then join that one as their primary faction, and use the other one as a stepping stone to victory!

The Drones had an off-Poly forum (for some reason), and whilst that stopped me from joining them properly, that should be allowed. Personally I wouldn't want to leave Poly. Everything else I do is here, and it's just an unnecessary hassle of extra logins and websites to bounce around.

	10-06-2004 11:44									#53
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I think all the factions should be at least active on Poly. Its a Poly game, all players have Poly logins so there is really no reason for moving factions off the site.

	10-06-2004 12:33									#54
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Well....If most of the faction members are used to a different site, if they want to do something to the forum to make it different, if they want subforums in their forum, if they want it to be more secure and prevent deadwood from joining....
They might set up shop somewhere else

	10-06-2004 12:43									#55
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And they can - as long as they are still active here as well.

	10-06-2004 12:58									#56
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Personally I think the wait for the current game to end has shown which factions will become inactive and may suffer problems. You can actually see which people will still be around in another 3 months.

	10-06-2004 19:00									#57
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Well it makes no sense then to setup a game here if we are only going to need a turn tracking thread on Poly.

	10-06-2004 21:43									#58
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I don't understand why we are discussing this issue. Are we afraid the four teams that are formed for the next ACDG game will be active somewhere else rather than here at Poly?

	10-06-2004 21:50									#59
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What's to be afraid of? In the end it's all against anyone anyway.

Doesn't matter IMO where a private forum is, as long as an open discussion channel (forum) is maintained here on 'Poly.

	10-06-2004 22:14									#60
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Exactly. A poly game means the game is held by Poly, the center place for the game is provided by Poly. Why does it matter where somebody chooses to do their preparation for a game? It's not like we all don't already have a private forum for the team currently somewhere.