12-06-2004 15:23									#31
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack I have to agree with those that advocate carrying out the Ruhrpott strike as planned. I do not think trying to attack Parthemünde under this circumstances is a good idea. AFAIK, the Ruhrpott strike was not meant as a cripple-them-forever blow, but rather as a push-them-back-a-bit sting allowing us to further develop our power before engaging in the decisive conflict?

Aye.

	12-06-2004 16:36									#32
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Incase no one has seen the turnthread, we have found out that GWT got a Great Leader, very likey at the battle of Bretten, on 650 AD.

We hope that they go for Sistene's Chapel with it, but they don't currently have Theo.

E_T

	13-06-2004 08:52									#33
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I'm going to start a poll on this issue.

	13-06-2004 12:26									#34
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If we can get Marines before they get tanks, then we could pull it off. But, they'd better not get tanks just shortly afterwards. We'd need more than just a few turns to get in with our tanks to do real damge. I'd say 10-15 turns would suffice.

What we really need to do is jump start CFC somehow! Please! Their economy is sucking right now.

BTW, what exactly and when and where are CFC contributing to this strike? I now they have given gold; but what about those Rider's?

	13-06-2004 12:27									#35
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BTW, nice to see vondrack and nye in here.

	13-06-2004 16:55									#36
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With only six knights, all it takes is a few ansars withinin range to foil this attack. All they need is 2 Ansars within 9 tiles and 2 muskets guarding the city to make this a 50/50 for units. much more resitance and our chances quickly go to 0.

	13-06-2004 20:07									#37
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree BTW, nice to see vondrack and nye in here.

This is the game if you think about it

	15-06-2004 03:13									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Instead of scrapping it, we should just push back the Ruhr attack a few turns. Listen. THIS IS IT for us. This is our one and only chance to catch GWT offguard with an attack. After this attack if over, whatever we do is going to be a long, hard slog at best ... or a failed invasion at worst. We need to do as much damage as possible in this attack. Destroying their FP is nice, until they rebuild it. Destroying a wonder is forever, as is destroying a major production center (or two or three, etc). When we leave, we need to leave them in a state from which they cannot recover. Leave them in a state that allows us to surge ahead of them, for good. But most importantly, we need to have the strength and confidence to TRY to make this attack a success. Right now, what I'm reading from Trip is that he's too afraid of failure to do anything other than an attack that is guaranteed to succeed. That's the sort of attitude that is going to make this attack one that we win the battle, but lose the war. Calculated risks must be taken. Cowardice and hesitation have never been characteristics of a good general. The greatest battles in history all have elements of wise gambles with clever fakes, flanks, and surprises. I'm not advocating doing a suicidal attack at a fortified position. What I'm saying is that we have the resources to carry off two attacks, we just need to arrange the timing of those attacks so that they're simultaneous or very near to it. --Togas

I concur 100%.

The downside to delay of course is that the longer we wait the more likely CGN is gone and the German forces redeploy.

But a delay in the Rhurport atack will also let us get the CFC landing more in synch with the Rhurport landing as well.

	17-06-2004 12:49									#39
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Tyical that this (and the poll) would coincide with my few days away...

Am catching up now and forming a rather strong opinion based on why we came up with this whole lightning strike in the first place.