11-06-2004 20:56									#1
	HOI 1.06 has reinvigorated the game for me Tired of ads?

well, yes.

I skipped at least one patch, so I have no clue when this stuff was fixed/added. Love that the vague modifiers are now quantifed on the battle screen. Love a lot of little things.

However, now I'm royally getting my butt kicked on normal (norma!) difficulty as germany. Current game I chose not to partition Poland (screw the bolsheviks) (I heard that was the way to go...) but the moment I annex poland and withdraw troops to the french front, the soviets declare war on me. Do I have to leave garrisons behind? Oh and the only thing weird I did was declare war on latvia, so the USSR was at war with the allies

any ideas?

	12-06-2004 02:47									#2
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Same here, started a new game just the other day (as the Soviets on normal/normal. Operation Barbarossa started in the later part of april 1941, it's now june and I'm keeping it together even if I've lost some ground). And I do have agree that it feels better than before. On the downside it seems even more unstable than before in some regards (I never gets any points when I exit the program, it goes directly to desktop) and also, there's some sort of graphical bug with some german plane (or at least I think that's what it is). Oh well, you can't get it all with a Paradox product I guess. Now back to the game, I'm forming a new nine division strong Tank Corps back in Kaluga (T-34's and mech.inf) and I can't wait to throw them into the german frontline.

	12-06-2004 23:06									#3
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It does have some stability issues. One strange thing with mine is that it always seems to open multiple copies. I've tried hitting enter on the icon instead of double clicking but....also I've had a save error here and there and a graphical problem with a save...

The game is definately a lot harder. I've had a couple runs at germany on normal/normal and think I've got a formula down at least to the barbarossa stage. (assuming the soviets don't declare war on me after we take poland )

A much much improved game.

	13-06-2004 16:01									#4
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Having posted my previous post, I find that the save game looks up my enire computer... So at the moment I hate Paradox entertainment.

	13-06-2004 22:41									#5
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I never had any problems with HoI, just try uninstalling and reinstalling the game, then patch it.

While you are at it you might want to install the CORE mod as well. It has some really nice modifications to both the tech tree and other stuff like lots of new events. It makes minor countries much more fun to play.

	14-06-2004 17:15									#6
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You play vanilla HoI???

Respect!

Try playing CORE (0.82), and you´ll never come back to vanilla HoI again! Really, it triples the fun!

@kropotkin:
I am playing as SU n/n, same history than you had, and it´s now 1944. I have annexed Germany, Finland and Slovakia, also Persia (back in 1936), while I puppeted Romania, Turkey, Hungary and Italy. The world was at peace once again, except for Japan, which was at war with the Allies and USA, but got crushed pretty soon.

Now I´ve turned cold war into WW3, being at war with basically the whole world . I have 12 armies of each 9 divisions of T34/85.1941 tanks, and my 56 fighter squadrons are having a hard time fighting back the endless bombing runs of Canadians, Brits and Americans..

It´s fun, though

On a side note:
I have never experienced any of the problems you guys were talking about... Maybe you just need to einstall the game? But then, it´s been a long time since I last played unmodded HoI...

	14-06-2004 17:47									#7
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CORE has problems of it's own, though, doesn't it?


I popped into it's forum the other day to take alook around and a bug where mount troops lost something like 400% efficiency in mountains and gained %600 in jungles, or something equally ridiculous.

I've found the same with Victoria VIP - alot of messed up events and triggers or other dodgy stuff. People need to double check and test their work more.

	14-06-2004 19:10									#8
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CORE isn´t free of bugs, of course, but it´s still far better than plain HoI and I haven´t noticed anything strange in 60 hours of playing. Be sure to use v0.82 though!

	14-06-2004 19:21									#9
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Core sounds interesting, I've been meaning to try it out. Wanted to get a few regular games of 1.06 under my belt first...

....

I've noticed an oddity as Japan last night-my dissent was increasing even though I was not in the red with consumer goods. I saved and reloaded and it was back to normal. Weird...

	15-06-2004 04:26									#10
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It´s better to switch to CORE immediately, for much is changed and thus playing vanilla HoI won´t benefit you much

As for the oddity:
Did the dissent actually increase or did it JUST SAY so? The mouse.over menue refreshs only after a long time, so maybe you´ve had to little consumer goods for a short period and when it got back to sufficient supply, the text wasn´t updated yet...

I noticed some oddities, too, like Iraq joining axis two years after the Soviet Union annexed Germany and Italy, thus eradicating AXIS alliance
Also sometimes when your division is annihilated the commander survives as a size 0 army with a speed of 999 km/h, meaning you can conquer all of africa in less than two weeks (though it is a HoI bug, not affiliated with CORE)

	15-06-2004 19:12									#11
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no, the dissent was definately increasing even though the supplies were in the white. I was watching in horror as it climbed at a rate of .03/day. not sure what the deal was. I just switched out three ministers, maybe one had a hidden dissent penalty...

	23-06-2004 01:45									#12
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I started playing CORE after finding an temp fix for the combat modifier bug (turns out it isn't specific to CORE)

Very fun.


A question: I've heard alot of talk about an axis turkey. I assume there are events that make this possible? When do they happen?

	23-06-2004 01:50									#13
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I've noticed that alot of minor countries have been buffed up under core, aswell. What are some other good minor / intermediate countries to play as?

	23-06-2004 03:35									#14
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I've played core a couple times now and appreciate it

I will say that the first run through was...inauspicious. As the CCCP, germany stalled and barely took poland in feb 1940, killing their momentum. The other times I've played were more competitive, and as germs I haven't won yet. Came close, was carving up the soviets, but had a landing of 11 units on french soil. ouch. and italy needs a lot of handholding.

core

	23-06-2004 03:56									#15
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I have a nice game going as italy... I got off to a good start, despite losing ehtiopia I was able to make it to the suez canal and to grenoble in France (which is as far as I care to go because it's a resource rich province and offers a small, defendable border). I was even slaping the royal navy around in the mediteranian.

Then the british brought reinforcements to africa... they hit a lightly defended beach with 5 armoured and mobile divisions, then exploded in every direction giving my thinly spred units a hell of a time trying to contain them while the only sizable army I had in the area raced back from suez to sweep them up. Just as I was geting them under control, the forces that took ethiopia return and sweep up to suez and easily cut through the minimal defense I left behind, so I lose all the land I took. Then france sees my disorganized forces and attack through tripoli... so now I'm losing all my original posessions aswell - just when i thought I had them under control again. (France really saw the opening there - it was only a brief moment that I had to draw out some forces in tripoli but they immediately took advantage of it and didn't slow down). I end up falling back to turbok (?) with all my forces so that they could hang out in the bunkers there untill I could make a concentrated effort to take africa back.


But mean while, britain is harassing the italian shores with small landing groups (I better learn to make better use of my fleets... both where siting in the port repairing and reorganizing - I should rotate their use so that these landing forces don't slip by) and again, they break through with a large landing force and take the boot of italy. A few days later a bunch of RAF planes rebase there and essentially neutralise my naval bombers which I was relying on for naval supremacy.\


And then I lose a province to yugoslovia.

I must of been so busy with the british that I didn't see the message telling me they joined the war. Well, ****. I just pulled out all my troops from northern italy.


I wish the germans would hurry up with the french (who refused vichy and chose to fight to the death) so that they can come to my rescue.



But I might just start over again now that I am refamiliarised with HoI and have learned the ropes of CORE.

	24-06-2004 00:00									#16
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In my current HoI Core game, I as the germans routed the frenchies in sept 1939 and had captured the brit isles by early 1940. France was vichy'd. mid 1940 I was moving south with 2 panzer armies on transports to whittle the brits down to puppet them. France rebelled and I captured and puppeted them, so there is both a france and vichy france in the game, weird. I moved a bit more and took the remnants of belgium (which france annexed ) I controlled or allied with all of europe except scandanavia and denmark and Romania. Had Iraq, Turkey, Persia, and Tibet in the alliance to chip away at the other brit provinces. Had my first dozen or so advanced tac bombers come online by Nov 1941, preparting to invade Russia about April, 1942. Then. Then. Then.

The US declared war.



So close to it. Apparently an event was triggeredy by my capturing of the British Isles some two years previous.



I haven't put the game aside, but it might get ugly, especially since my axis buddies can't defend at all. I guess if I can bitter peace russia within a year or so, I can figure something out...

	24-06-2004 05:34									#17
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I've seen a few comments in the Paradox forum indicating rather severe AI problems when one is playing as a non-axis country under 1.06?
I find this rather odd as it seems to me that the Axis is doing rather well - Germany seems to have a bit of trouble at the start but then gets a breakthrough or two and overruns France in short order.

Ditto for the USSR, albeit with a slightly longer time frame, but they just don't seem to want to finish the job - I've seen the Sov's pushed back to the Urals and then both they and the Nazi's, still with over 200 divisions on each side, just seem to move units around for the next year or two - all engagements seem to be Axis Air power versus Soviet Ground forces ...
The Japanese campaign in China follows along the same lines - after a blitzkrieg attack taking half of China the IJA just seemed to stop in it's tracks and then follow the same pattern of redeploying forces back and forth continuously.
I've tried reloading too but this seems to be more than just the AI falling asleep?

	24-06-2004 06:53									#18
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yeah, the japanese is more noticible. they take half of china then...stop. but they're not at war with anyone else, what are they doing? surely a hundred militia can't stop much?

	24-06-2004 07:04									#19
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Isn't alot of inland china really low infrastructure? That might be the reason why. Regardless, i think that is historicaly realistic behaviour, if I understand correctly the Japanese really only conquered coastal china because the rural areas had such poor infrastrure and where so spread out.

	24-06-2004 07:10									#20
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Yeah, historically that's true, IIRC we were landing bombers in chinese territory late in the war.

Still, I wish it could be a bit more ahistorical and let Japan go for the kill. Though if they did, it would screw up their govt, as they would need more luxury goods.

	27-06-2004 17:44									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Talar I never had any problems with HoI, just try uninstalling and reinstalling the game, then patch it.

and

quote: Originally posted by Micha Maybe you just need to einstall the game?

Well d'oh! Of cource I've tried that. It's just that I can't keep my desire to play if I have to reinstall the game every other time or so. I've experienced the problem both on my own and my gf's computer. Paradox entertainment isn't good at making stable games. No company seems to be good at that anymore (if they ever where).