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Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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Apr 2003
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At MZO Oct has posted a pledge for all teams that are participating the Conquests Democracy Game. I have read it and am very moved by it. I think we should do something like that. I've copied the pledge here. I hope we can modify it and use it for the next ACDG.

quote:

As the leader and representative of my team, I give you, the other leaders and team members in the game, the following promise:

I, and my team, hereby promise that we will fully abide by the rules and the spirit of the rules in this multi-team democracy game.

We will not play ahead or abuse the game save in any manner. We will not use the game save in any way to view another team's position.

We will not attempt to enter or view any private forums. We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging or falsify our identities in any fashion.

We agree not to communicate with another team in any meaningful way regarding the game until that team is actually contacted in the game. Minimaps, or other similar re-creations providing a teams location in the world, will not be traded until maps can actually be traded in the game.

We will not engage in any double identity or double log-in activity, nor will we condone it. If we become of aware of such activity, it will be made public to all teams immediately. Any members engaging in such activity will be banned from ALL teams involved in the game. Any information revealed by a double identity player will be made known to the other team involved, and the neutral administrator, and appropriate compensation, as either agreed by the teams, or if agreement is not possible, as determined by the neutral administrator, will be provided.

I agree to create and maintain a current members list in a public area of the forum.

We will do our best to quickly complete our turns and make the save available for the next team prior to the deadline. This deadline is 24 hours per team per turn.

In the case of game process issues and disputes, we agree to acknowledge and abide by the ruling of the neutral adminstrator. The neutral administrator for this game will be Octavian X or his designate, who will not be, and will not have been, a member of a team in the game.

In addition, we agree to allow the administrator access to our private forum provided by MZO for the purpose of acting as game historian.

We agree to never engage in game activities that exploit faults in the game. A list of known explots may be found here.

Furthermore, we will expell anyone from our team who willingly breaks these rules.

Octavian X is offline Octavian X
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BTW, I just posted it. I shouldn't be given credit for writing most of it.

But, I agree, it's a good document that we should imitate to some extent for fairness' sake.

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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Jan 2004
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Seen in that respect one can call anything meaningless, Tassadar.

Besides, the 'morally bound' have the 'power' to bring cheat(s)(ers) to the front, after which measures can be taken.

Drogue is offline Drogue
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I like it

DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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i`d hit it! i am mean i like it

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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Yes it's not like it's a law or something and Poly don't have police force to enforce a law anyway. But it is all about fostering a positive environment in my opinion.

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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Aug 2001
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I so pledge.

And Poly has mods who can whack those who behave badly.

jtsisyoda is offline jtsisyoda
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Jul 2003
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We are here to have fun playing a game, and a game has rules. I agree to play according to the spirit of this pledge.

Illuminatus is offline Illuminatus
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Let`s make it part of each faction`s oath!

Vev is offline Vev
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The hive had it's spam pledge, okay not really. But I do swear the pledge. I just need the free time to join in.

Micha is offline Micha

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* Micha lays his left hand on a copy of Chairman Voltaire´s glorious words of wisdom, raises his right hand and repeats the oath from the first post of this thread.

Impaler[WrG] is offline Impaler[WrG]
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Still needs a bit of expanding and clarification on things but its a great foundation to build on. Lets discuss further and then have a formal Pledge thread that everyone in the game will "sign".

We should have that list of banned exploits in their and some clarification on some of the insidents that occured this game such as the Cycon-Peace Doc Init trade/theft and some of the conflicting turns submited from the Hive.

Also I am wonding if we realy want to use a 24 hour turn. I am ok with it if others are just be shure were not biting off more then we can chew.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
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Maybe expand the turn time and allow exceptions for unseen events.
I will sign once it is determined that this will be the "definitive" thread.


But I am in support of this. Any dissenters should be rounded up and thrown in the Punishment Spheres.

Enigma_Nova is offline Enigma_Nova
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quote:
As the leader and representative of my team(1), I give you, the other leaders and team members in the game, the following promise:

I, and my team,(2) hereby promise that we will fully abide by the rules and the spirit of the rules in this multi-team democracy game.

We will not play ahead or abuse the game save in any manner. We will not use the game save in any way to view another team's position.(3)

We will not attempt to enter or view any private forums.(4) We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging(5) or falsify our identities in any fashion. (6)

We agree not to communicate with another team in any meaningful way regarding the game until that team is actually contacted in the game. Minimaps, or other similar re-creations providing a teams location in the world, will not be traded until maps can actually be traded in the game.

We will not engage in any double identity or double log-in activity, nor will we condone it. If we become of aware of such activity, it will be made public to all teams immediately. Any members engaging in such activity will be banned from ALL teams involved in the game. Any information revealed by a double identity player will be made known to the other team involved, and the neutral administrator, and appropriate compensation, as either agreed by the teams, or if agreement is not possible, as determined by the neutral administrator, will be provided.

I agree to create and maintain a current members list in a public area of the forum.(7)

We will do our best to quickly complete our turns and make the save available for the next team prior to the deadline. This deadline is 24 hours per team per turn. (8)

In the case of game process issues and disputes, we agree to acknowledge and abide by the ruling of the neutral adminstrator. The neutral administrator for this game will be Octavian X or his designate, who will not be, and will not have been, a member of a team in the game.(9)

In addition, we agree to allow the administrator access to our private forum provided by MZO for the purpose of acting as game historian.(10)

We agree to never engage in game activities that exploit faults in the game. A list of known explots may be found here.

Furthermore, we will expell anyone from our team who willingly breaks these rules.


(1) So why are the plebs taking the pledge?
(2) Can't make promises on behalf of another.
Should the phrase be "I promise that my team and I", or
edit (1) to refer to all team members?
(3) Aside from using the turn in a normal fashion. Infiltration screens and exploration during your (non-repeated) turn.
(4) Other than our own
(5) 'Fabricate' as in to create false information. (Fabricate is an ambiguous word)
(6) Other than already done by having Aliases on these fora
(7) "The Forum" Referring to the public forum of the ACDG
(8) Hasn't been polled for a majority and thus can't be included in a pledge.
(9) Also haven't polled Oct X as a mod. Oct X is a member of The Gaians, and so this clause is false.
(10) Forums provided by who?!?!

*ahem*
ENIGMA'S PLEDGE
As a sentient entity, I decide to understand the reasons and implications of what I do, to the best of my abilities.
I will understand ideas presented to me.
I will make informed decisions on those ideas.
[/endpledge]

So you've all gone and agreed to a pact which:
1. Denies you private fora
2. Enforces a 24-hour turn time
3. Makes Oct X a 'neutral moderator'

Well done, morons. Bloody well done.
Maybe next time you'll think about what you do instead of applying ignorance and idiocy whenever someone posts a thumbs-up smilie.

It is clear that none of you have -read- the pledge (save Impaler), and in so pledging to it, you have done so dishonestly.
Shame on you all for this.

Oh and Impaler: +RESPECT for you.

Enigma_Nova is offline Enigma_Nova
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I rebuke the Pledge of Allegiance to the Third Alpha Centauri Democracy Game.
(Enigma's Pledge, I will keep)

Octavian X is offline Octavian X
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Umm...

That pledge was just an example, you know. We should go about developing a new one specifically for this game. For example, the pledge would be modified to express whom we have actually chosen to be the CMN(s).

BTW, the pledge comes from a Civ3 Team PBEM game at MasterZen Online. The forum for this game may be found here.

jtsisyoda is offline jtsisyoda
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We are here to have fun playing a game, and a game has rules. I agree to play according to the spirit of this pledge.


Emphasis added for Enigma's benefit.

You were doing well until the boldface assault completely out of proportion with the supposed crime. You'll have a hard time helping to improve the pledge if someone bans you.

Micha is offline Micha

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Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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He will need to post more abuse than that to get banned. Particularly in this forum. Mods don't bother travelling this way too often.

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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Enigma sure has a way to get others' attention. Dispite the fact that he still needs to study how to express his opinions using a more friendly tune, I have to give him credit for carefully reading the pledge and pointing out things that we need to modify to use it for our game.

Enigma you have to understand that people are pledging in spirit and there have already been suggestions that after we nail down the details (such as CMN and turn playing time etc) we post it formally (and top it in my opinion).

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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I have to give him credit for carefully reading the pledge and pointing out things that we need to modify to use it for our game.


Yeah, but not remainder of the thread...

Illuminatus is offline Illuminatus
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Well only Vev, Micha, Tassadar and Skanky pledged to that. It means that they are prohibited to accesing any private forums.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
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Any dissenters should be rounded up and thrown in the Punishment Spheres.

MrWhereItsAt is offline MrWhereItsAt
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Hell, I've already pledged to this, many months ago, in fact. Actually I could find you a few more examples of things I have pledged to at various times. Some of them are good too.

We could always use MZO (MasterZenOnline) as well. It was created when Poly was extremely unreliable for a while before the server move, and all sorts of Civ3 games sort of have backup forums there. Like tomorrow for example, when the server goes down for an hour or two during maintenance.

Or did you guys not know about that?

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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Well only Vev, Micha, Tassadar and Skanky pledged to that. It means that they are prohibited to accesing any private forums.


Its a policy setting, not the law. You follow the spirit of the post and not the letter.

Yes, the pledge could have been written much more accurately, but honestly, what do you expect from a site where many of the people are not native English speakers?

I'll thank you not to use my name in this stupid debate.

Enigma_Nova is offline Enigma_Nova
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Enigma will only be banned when the spam clears from this board.
Only then, I will have nothing left to rant about.

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Got spare money?

... / no-one left to rant to.

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Actually Skanky you pledged to that, nonmodiifed, text of the pledge. Jtsisyoda agreed to play according to the spirit of the pledge.

Enigma_Nova is offline Enigma_Nova
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There will be people left to rant to, only Apolyton would be down by about 10,000 members.

 
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