14-06-2004 10:29									#1
	Turn 51, 1750bc Tired of ads?

Orders from the Ministers:

ALL MINISTERS, please feel free to edit this post to enter in your orders.

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Pre-Turn Actions



Military Orders
(warriors)
Roadkill: 3
Anthea: 1 heading back to act as a sentry.
Grog: 3 (we need to scout what we can of PAL before they plop even more cities down)
Ares: Fortify as sentry.
Con: MP
{unnamed warrior}: MP
(archers)
Phobos: 8, barbarian hunting
(currach)
Argo: continune on it's path


Worker Orders

#1 Roads-R-Us - Move 4 (due north of apolyton) He will start roading from here to the horses, jogging to the west of our mountain.
#2 Fred & Barny - road here. After this is done, go back and mine the bonus grassland to his NW. From there he will continue the roadway to the ivory.

We need more workers. We should have 1-1.5 workers PER CITY. We have 2 workers. We have 4 cities. We are also using one of our workers to try and get the iron for our war, so in essence we have only one worker for our 4 cities. THIS IS BAD (at least we aren't in a jungle however). I am advising we slow down our settler schedule so as we can add some workers in. Population is sutch a Beatch.

City Orders

#1 Apolyton - wf 12, 15, 18 - Settler (ivory), Hoplite, Settler (horse), Barracks
#2 Hypnos - wf 8, 17, 19 - Hoplite, Worker, Archer, Warrior
#3 Poseidon's Harbor - wf 1 - Barracks (under way), worker, archer
#4 Naked Aphrodite - wf 2 - Barracks (under way), hoplite

ADD THE FUTURE BUILDS TO THE BUILD QUEUE - MOI GK

Diplomacy To Be Completed


Any Other Things To Be Done
Purchase a barbarian slave worker from PAL as soon as possible for one gold. Gold MUST change hands to be in compliance with UN rules and regs (or so I am told - GK)

Last edited by Inverse Icarus on 15-06-2004 at 22:44

	15-06-2004 05:20									#2
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WF orders have not been followed for the past 15 turns or so, and I have not updated all of my plans have followed the changes. THIS IS NOT A POST WHINING ABOUT CHANGES, JUST AN EXPLANATION. Because of this, I have several differences in what I have been expecting and what has been happening. For example, I expected the warrior to be completed last turn, not this comming turn. So I am updating my notes and adding orders for turn 51.

	15-06-2004 21:07									#3
	Re: Turn 51, 1750bc Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by GodKing Purchase a barbarian slave worker from PAL as soon as possible for one gold. Gold MUST change hands to be in compliance with UN rules and regs (or so I am told - GK)

I only remember rules against slave farming with a phony war, not against trading legitimate slaves.

	15-06-2004 21:39									#4
	Re: Re: Turn 51, 1750bc Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: I only remember rules against slave farming with a phony war, not against trading legitimate slaves.

Indeed. All the rules say is that "No team or individual is permitted to barter, gift, or otherwise allow another team to kill-off any of its units using those units with the capture ability with the intent of creating a worker for either team." Gifting workers is perfectly fine.

	17-06-2004 08:00									#5
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	17-06-2004 08:55									#6
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I'm in chat right now

--Togas

	17-06-2004 08:55									#7
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	17-06-2004 09:57									#8
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Results for 1750bc

Played at 4:00am GMT in chat using some posted orders, and overriding a few orders due to recent developments and discussion. Present were Kloreep, E_T, Nuclear Master, Arnelos, MZ, WIA, Whitebandit.

RESULTS IN ORDER COMPLETED

APOLYTON finishes Hoplite. Set build to Settler
HYPNOS finishes Warrior. Set build to Hoplite

Phobos the archer moves 8

Road R Us builds a road right there on the sugar (changed orders. See notes that follow as to why)

Fred & Barney builds a road

Roadkill moves 3

Ares Fortifies on a mountain top

Argo moves 2 6

Grog SKIPS TURN TO HEAL (this is an override of order to move 3, which we agree with, but we wanted to heal him first in case there are still barbs there.)

Anthea moves 8 and discovers PAL's Partytown. (This is a changed order done after PAL told us it was cool to explore their territory)

new unnamed warrior moves 1 4 towards Apolyton where he will be mil police.

Diomedes moves 3 6, switching out with new guy

New unnamed Hoplite fortifies in APOLYTON


After MUCH discussion in chat about the WF orders for APOLYTON, the posted orders were disregarded and the following orders were put in place:

APOLYTON WF = 4 8 18 (2fpt, 6spt) Settler in 5. Growth in 4.
HYPNOS WF = 6 8 19 (2fpt, 5spt) Hoplite in 4. Growth in 7.

ISSUES OF NOTE
We are now STRONG to CDG & PAL!!! Way to go, Hoplite!

We are #3 in Pop, GNP, Manuf, Area, and Productivity
We are still #5 in Family size.

PAL size 5
CDG size 3
BAT size 4
GWT size 3

We need names for 3 units (2 warriors, 1 hoplite) and we have a lot more units on the way. GET US NAMES and post them in the turnthread.

We are not on the same page with the Worker and WF orders. We need to start up a MOI thread to explain the orders or discuss them a bit.

--Togas

	17-06-2004 10:10									#11
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

The dots indicate the WF settings as of the end of this turn. This was done to keep Apolyton growing and also keep perfect spt rates for our units. Apolyton is where our granary is, and we CANNOT afford to give it merely 1fpt. Every food in Apolyton is doubled, and it should never fall below 2fpt.

Pop is not a problem. With grapes + 2 MP we can safely exist at pop 4. We are the worst civ with regards to growth (Family size rank 5) thus we cannot afford to ever slow down our growth rate.

The brown lines represent future roads to be built on the way to horses and iron. Especially important to our future development is that we road the sugar (as it's a tile we always use, and we could benefit from the bonus commerce) and that we road the river 7 of it, as this tile will also immediately come into use when horse city goes up, AND this tile will be where we begin our irrigation to horse city, and we save several worker turns having it pre-roaded so the irrigation crews can go right to work)

The square represents where our horse city will go (so no road need be built there)

--Togas

	17-06-2004 10:27									#12
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Naked could be using the tile 6 of Posideon's harbor! YOU LOST A TRADE! NOOOOOO!

why do i trust you builder whores?

	17-06-2004 10:40									#13
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Is it possible that trade was lost as corruption anyway?

	17-06-2004 10:41									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX Naked could be using the tile 6 of Posideon's harbor! YOU LOST A TRADE! NOOOOOO!

The extra commerce got corrupted when I put it there, So I just stuck with the original orders for it.

Also note, when PH grows next turn, it will expand to that bonus tile.

--Togas

	17-06-2004 11:00									#15
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Togas, that city would need a 60-shield temple. In the interests of speediness and lack of costly temples, I suggest moving that city NW. It'll still be distance 4 there anyway.

Uber, the commerce is corrupted. I checked and it seems Togas checked too.

	17-06-2004 21:01									#16
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A 40 shield Library will suffice.

But I do understand that concern and we may well move it. The only downside is that if we do move it, the tile directly north of Apolyton will not be used by any city once we disband Apolyton.

--Togas

	17-06-2004 21:24									#17
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Togas, that is one tile. I would rather have more forces to take down CDG, and to help deter a PAL backstab, than use a 2.1.2 tile

	19-06-2004 05:13									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX Naked could be using the tile 6 of Posideon's harbor! YOU LOST A TRADE! NOOOOOO! why do i trust you builder whores?

Naked is corrupt. I checked it prior to posting the orders. However, PH grows shortly, and it will NOT be corrupt for it. However, if we can get a worker soon, I would prefer to work on the tobaccy as that is a natural 2 food and 2 gold tile. However, it needs a mine to give it a shield so as to be usefull for production, so I do not intend on using it prior to growth to size three from PH.

The roading of the sugar isn't a benifit while in depotism due to the dep penalty. Once in republic however, you are correct that that becomes a much worthier tile. If we had some workers, I would like to mine or irrigate it ASAP.

My original goals were to road through the oasis (it will be included within a working radii when poly grows again). The horse city needs to be NW of where Togas is showing it, as we will most likely NOT have the litature tech (thus no librarys at 40 shields) nor time to pump out 60 shields into a temple in time to allow for the war.

This weekend I will update my spreadsheets and post them for people to look at. Hopefully with the plans people can comment. I have been wanting to do this for a while, but due to work and a new house I have not had the time....