15-06-2004 01:04									#31
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By the way, what is the worst thing that happens to a child who has to listen to the pledge that he/she does not participate in anyway?

	15-06-2004 01:08									#32
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He/she goes mental in a shunned Columbine kind of way.

(preferably at home on the whiny parent)

	15-06-2004 01:11									#33
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Ok, I'm beginning to understand how some people who used to be liberal, eventually became conservative later in life because of all this fluffed up political correctness nonsense.

I'm just hoping I'm resilient enough to take the good stuff from liberalism, and hold onto those for the rest of my life.

	15-06-2004 01:13									#34
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Damnit, under god was like 2 whole seconds that I didn't have to work in school, and people want to remove this? ****ers!

	15-06-2004 01:13									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ok, I'm beginning to understand how some people who used to be liberal, eventually became conservative later in life because of all this fluffed up political correctness nonsense. I'm just hoping I'm resilient enough to take the good stuff from liberalism, and hold onto those for the rest of my life.

Your kind of on the money. When in school and immediately thereafter I was much more leftish than I am now. Years of bullsh1t have taught me the error of my earlier naivete.

	15-06-2004 01:15									#36
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BUT I DON'T WANNA BECOME AN EVIL REPUBLICAN!!!!

	15-06-2004 01:15									#37
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Neither do I. Hence the reason I'm an (evil) independent.

	15-06-2004 01:20									#38
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quote: Ok, I'm beginning to understand how some people who used to be liberal, eventually became conservative later in life because of all this fluffed up political correctness nonsense.

	15-06-2004 01:21									#39
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The opinion should have just consisted of telling him to piss off in plain English not legaleese.

	15-06-2004 01:21									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun different strokes for different folks (your situation is not the same as everyone else's)

So your motto is "like it or lump it"? Or does that motto only apply to whiny atheists?

	15-06-2004 01:22									#41
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No, what I'm saying is that we need to round up all atheists into ghettos, then have them wear some kind of badge on their shirts.

DUH

	15-06-2004 01:24									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Ok, I'm beginning to understand how some people who used to be liberal, eventually became conservative later in life because of all this fluffed up political correctness nonsense.

. . . . . but it ain't gonna happen. I just need to plug my ears and close my eyes more often, so I don't lose too much patience when some unintelligent babble comes my way.

	15-06-2004 01:24									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The opinion should have just consisted of telling him to piss off in plain English not legaleese.

	15-06-2004 01:34									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun No, what I'm saying is that we need to round up all atheists into ghettos, then have them wear some kind of badge on their shirts. DUH

Could we get Catholics, Jews, and people with small feet thrown in there too?

	15-06-2004 01:39									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun No, what I'm saying is that we need to round up all atheists into ghettos, then have them wear some kind of badge on their shirts.

MrFunisms aside, I'm just trying to figure out how you go about determining when somebody should try to change the system if they don't like it, and when somebody should stop whining and just take their lumps instead. I mean, obviously there are a fair number of people (and, IIRC, you're one of them) who have decided that attempting to legalize gay marriage in the US is a worthwhile cause despite the fact that gays trying to get married here could just movie to Canada and get married there instead. And yet you say that Newdow should have just kept his trap shut because he's "whiny." Is there something you're not telling us here? Or have you just given up on trying to be consistent?

	15-06-2004 01:40									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich As a side note, we're watching a movie version of "Much Ado About Nothing" in English today

Precisely.

	15-06-2004 01:47									#47
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quote: it ain't gonna happen

That's what you say now. The right-wing conspiracy grabbed us all

	15-06-2004 02:08									#48
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger MrFunisms aside, I'm just trying to figure out how you go about determining when somebody should try to change the system if they don't like it, and when somebody should stop whining and just take their lumps instead. I mean, obviously there are a fair number of people (and, IIRC, you're one of them) who have decided that attempting to legalize gay marriage in the US is a worthwhile cause despite the fact that gays trying to get married here could just movie to Canada and get married there instead. And yet you say that Newdow should have just kept his trap shut because he's "whiny." Is there something you're not telling us here? Or have you just given up on trying to be consistent?

If you can show me how a person's rights are being violated by hearing something that he/she does not want to hear, then I will definitely take this issue more seriously.

	15-06-2004 02:23									#49
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So why don't the whiners petition their congressperson to introduce or support legislation that changes the pledge? Because they know dam well that the majority agrees with it as-is, and most of those who wouldn't say they agree with it are apathetic. "No harm, no foul."

The Left is accustomed to using the courts to accomplish things that they couldn't do in the full light of day, and this is no different. It is a relief when the courts won't play that game.

	15-06-2004 03:07									#50
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F*cking Reagan-era justices.

	15-06-2004 03:12									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow So why don't the whiners petition their congressperson to introduce or support legislation that changes the pledge? Because they know dam well that the majority agrees with it as-is, and most of those who wouldn't say they agree with it are apathetic. "No harm, no foul." The Left is accustomed to using the courts to accomplish things that they couldn't do in the full light of day, and this is no different. It is a relief when the courts won't play that game.

I bet a lot of liberals want to take off the religious crap of stuff, but they win't risk it after Walter Mondale's specacular performance in 1984.

	15-06-2004 03:22									#52
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One day there will be a world when the mention of the term God without refering to me specifically will result in the death penalty....

	15-06-2004 05:16									#53
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Lilliputians think that the pledge should include "Under Gawd".

Blefuscans think that it shouldn't.

I don't think there should be a pledge at all.

	15-06-2004 05:51									#54
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It is a general characteristic of applelate courts, that they prefer to dispose of a case on the least significant grounds available.

	15-06-2004 05:59									#55
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So, now someone with standing will bring a suit. While technically correct, this was not a win, but a postponement. God don't belong in the pledge, which was written by a socialist, and thus presumably, an atheist.

You know given what was said even in the minority opinion, and that thy delivered the decision on Flag Day (for goshsakes), I suspect that future decisions on this won't go your way for a long time.

	15-06-2004 06:13									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn One day there will be a world when the mention of the term God without refering to me specifically will result in the death penalty....

god will smite you with that attitude, there does that count

	15-06-2004 07:08									#57
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Why would I smite Thorn?

Oh, yeah, I remember now.^-^

	15-06-2004 07:52									#58
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun from article: "Newdow said it becomes unconstitutional when students are forced to hear it." I did not know we have the right to be free from being offended.

So if it supports your beliefs, it doesn't matter whether or not it is a violation of the Constitution?

The state has no place affirming the existence of a diety.

As for telling people to just go to another school, unless you live in a big city, that requires moving or other unreasonable expenses. People should not have to be forced to withdraw from public activities in order to have their rights not violated by the state.

	15-06-2004 08:32									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ok, I'm beginning to understand how some people who used to be liberal, eventually became conservative later in life because of all this fluffed up political correctness nonsense.

I am sure Christians will be offended if the kids are to recite something with "...there is no God..." in it.

	15-06-2004 08:41									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Proper ruling was made here. I still have no idea how the lower courts thought Newdow had any standing.

I see. Fit to pay the bills, but STFU after that, is it?