15-06-2004 23:09									#1
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It's been a while coming, but now it's finally here: Harry Turtledove's alternate history of the Second American Civil War. Please post any questions/comments/suggestions in this thread, and have fun!

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...owFewRemain.zip

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	16-06-2004 03:49									#2
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Someone finally included Cleveland! Woohoo!

	17-06-2004 09:21									#3
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Sacramento's there too

I'm surprised no one else has said anything. I think it's very well done. Perhaps you're right that it's too easy, I don't have any suggestions for that other than maybe making US units more expensive than CS ones, and probably giving the Rebs Sun--tzu (As the Virginia Military Institute), so that they promote faster, which would make pretty good sense.

Do you plan on updating this more? I think you said in the other thread you were burnt out from it.

For the events, I'd definitely suggest giving messages when the 4 leader units die (also you could maybe give General Gordon to the Brits, he didn't fare well in the book, but he had a reputation). Maybe some messages for the first time a Gatling wins in battle, and perhaps some bonuses when major cities are captured?

Maybe I have some more suggestions too, I'll keep playing

	17-06-2004 23:17									#4
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Thanks for the comments guys.

Yes, there was a serious case of burnout towards the end of this one; I think the fact that I took such a long break during it's creation meant that I was never really able to get back into designing it.

I really hope to summon the enthusiasm to revisit this sometime in the future and make it even better, so keep any suggestions coming.

JamesJKirk, having Gordon as a hero unit is a brilliant idea! I can't believe I didn't think of it.

With regard to the gatling gun, there is in fact a pop-up when it is researched (therefore it will only be seen when playing as the Confederates).

	18-06-2004 02:34									#5
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Finally! I was really expectant about this scenario.

As soon as I finish my exams, I'll take a look at it... and of course, I'd like to upload it to the SCS

	09-07-2004 05:32									#6
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Has anyone else had any problems? I can't even play the scenario. It crashes at the title screen.

	09-07-2004 06:17									#7
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Mine works.

	09-07-2004 10:44									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Jimmywax Has anyone else had any problems? I can't even play the scenario. It crashes at the title screen.

What version of civ are you using? Have you tried deleting the title and then loading the scenario?

	11-07-2004 18:24									#9
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I just LOVE this scen!

Playing it brought me an idea. Why not create a scenario like this where your civilization can evolve to the modern days?

	12-07-2004 23:44									#10
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First chance I've had to look at the final HFR scen. I think the changes you've made are excellent. Nice historical touch with the partially built transcontinental RR's heading towards a meeting at Provo. The map is still super and the villages (huts) will not be missed.

Congrats on a very fine piece of work.

	15-07-2004 22:59									#11
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Sorry for the delay in replying guys, but I've been kept pretty busy over in Florida.

Jasev, feel free to upload this scenario to the SCS.

Jimmy, I'm afraid I can't do much to correct any problems you might be having at the moment (my copy of Civ is several thousand miles away), but let me know if you've managed to get it working.

AGRICOLA, this scenario wouldn't be what it is if it weren't for playtesters like yourself!

	16-10-2004 20:50									#12
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@our_man

Please check your PM. Some idiot has posted on my Bermuda Triangle thread at CFC/civ2/General Discussions something to the effect that you have taken credit for his work.

	16-10-2004 21:05									#13
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Got your PM. Reply sent.

	17-10-2004 20:04									#14
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Downloading this right now, my fellow Glaswegian!

	18-10-2004 15:54									#15
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You're in Glasgow too Curt?

I'm probably going to be spending the next five years here; I'm "studying" medicine at the University of Glasgow (the best medical school in the UK according to the Times) but I seem to spend more of my time sleeping off hangovers than sitting in lectures.

I've only been here a month but I'm loving it. Nights of debauchery at The Shack and The Garage, taking in a movie on the top floor of the world's tallest cinema, Scottish girls... the list goes on; Glasgow has it all!

	18-10-2004 21:37									#16
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Never got the hang of ordering a pint in Glasgow. Is it 'a pint of heavy' or an '80 shillings' (40 shillings?) you're supposed to ask for? I ended up drinking lager Nice city though...

@Agricola: is that guy at CFC the person who made a much earlier 'How Few Remain' scenario? IIRC it used stock graphics and wasn't terribly good.

	18-10-2004 23:51									#17
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quote: Originally posted by our_man You're in Glasgow too Curt?

Yep!

Along the riverfront in a charming little town that was once a prime target for the Luftwaffe!

quote: [SIZE=1] I'm probably going to be spending the next five years here; I'm "studying" medicine at the University of Glasgow (the best medical school in the UK according to the Times) but I seem to spend more of my time sleeping off hangovers than sitting in lectures.

Another student - Like me!
I am Paisley University too - Doing a BA honours in animation.

I seem to spend most of my time trying to get meshes and nightmarish riggings to work!

quote: [SIZE=1] I've only been here a month but I'm loving it. Nights of debauchery at The Shack and The Garage, taking in a movie on the top floor of the world's tallest cinema, Scottish girls... the list goes on; Glasgow has it all!

Glad you are liking it here!
I am sure you have met Glasgow's other wonderful export - The Neds!

@Fairline:
At a bar, what many Glasgow natives here do is point at their
mouths and make a noise like a zombie from 'Dawn of the Dead!'

	18-10-2004 23:56									#18
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Apologies for the off-topic discourse by me!

PS
The scenario is being put through it's paces right now -
'Lean and mean' is what I can say about the units!

Very nice!

Good work -
I feel a similar challenging gameplay aspect as the United Irish scenario!

	19-10-2004 00:16									#19
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@ fairline

Yes. What Mondas did was to make a How Few Remain trilogy under the name Timothy Fowlkes, where the first scen took place at the same time as our_man's.

Mondas' scenario is a stock Civ2 scen where the only thing changed from vanilla Civ2 graphics files is the UNITS file. . . . no tech tree, research or events.

By contrast, in our_man's scen, every graphics file is custom designed and there is a tech tree, research and events.

IMHO, there is absolutely nothing in Mondas' scen that any self-respecting designer would want to plagiarize. It's pure boilerplate Civ2.

What bothers me a lot in all this is that, once it was established that it was groundless accusation of plagiarism, the moderator at CFC did nothing about it except close the thread after your post.

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	19-10-2004 00:24									#20
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quote: I am sure you have met Glasgow's other wonderful export - The Neds!

Tell me about it...

I have to pass along Maryhill Road (or as it's known to us, 'Scaryhill') on the way to my halls of residence. Not the most charming of places, and I've heard that they're places in Glasgow that make Maryhill look like Paris in comparison! But I've learned the essentials to survive in Glasgow:

1. Never, ever go out in a Celtic/Rangers jersey. If you must go out in football attire, wear a Partick Thistle shirt. Then everybody will take pity on you instead of beating you up.

2. Don't go into Kelvingrove Park on your own at night. Something bad will happen. Think of a happy place...

For those of you not familiar with Glasgow, Ned stands for non-educated delinquent. Easily spotted by their white Kappa clothing, obscure dialect, bottle of Bucky, vacant expression somewhere between simmering violence and confusion over how to tie shoelaces.

Glad you like the scenario Curt.

	19-10-2004 00:25									#21
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Yeah the Duke ignored that one. They wonder why everyone has left...

	19-10-2004 00:31									#22
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BTW, I'd like to thank both AGRICOLA and Harry Tuttle for sticking up for me over there. I happened to take a look at the thread at Civfanatics this morning; you didn't have to involve yourselves, but you did. I you guys.

Ahem, maybe getting a bit too sentimental. But it's really great to know that people in the community will go out of their way to support you if they think you're being wronged.

Thanks again guys!

	19-10-2004 01:09									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yeah the Duke ignored that one. They wonder why everyone has left...

Oh please

It's just a website.

Not to mention CFC's Civ2 section is arguably more active than here at Apolyton. The only thing in which ACS royally beats CFC is scenario development threads.

	19-10-2004 01:20									#24
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Hey no problem Our_Man. The guy seems to be immature at best and has to use his scenarios to prop up his ego. You "threatened" his little claim with your version so he just had to lash out. What a loser.

quote: Originally posted by Mercator Not to mention CFC's Civ2 section is arguably more active than here at Apolyton. The only thing in which ACS royally beats CFC is scenario development threads.

Yeah well, I'll make the argument that modding is more important than "1000 ways my pikeman beat your armor" compilations.

And as for combined knowledge with experience, Apolyton has a trump card over CFC.

	19-10-2004 06:57									#25
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@ our_man

Pas de sweat. Glad to help.

	19-10-2004 07:29									#26
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Just opened up the scenario, beautiful work with the map graphics.

	19-10-2004 10:57									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Hey no problem Our_Man. The guy seems to be immature at best and has to use his scenarios to prop up his ego. You "threatened" his little claim with your version so he just had to lash out. What a loser.

Wait a minute. Didn't Harry make a version of this scenario a couple of years ago?

	19-10-2004 18:27									#28
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Wait a minute. Didn't Harry make a version of this scenario a couple of years ago?

Dammit! You found out that I'm really Mondas! My cover is blown!

No, actually the only scenarios I've published are:

1) A really loose interpretation of the novel trilogy "Oath of Empire" - Roman scenario, had some neat barbarian hoard events and graphics ripped from Civ3.

2) Atomic Eagle

3) The soon to be Gold Gulch

- I was working on a economic based fantasy scenario, but that's on hold and will probably be redone in a different form.

That's about it.

	19-10-2004 18:56									#29
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I was just thinking - I ought to thank Mondas for the extra publicity he's after giving my scenario! Both Curt and Smiley might not have played it if it hadn't been for this incident! I guess what they say is true - there's no such thing as bad publicity!

	19-10-2004 19:54									#30
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Gentlemen, why don't we put this one to bed?

Since I first saw it, I've considered part of Case's sig to be the ultimate wisdom.

quote: Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time

That's who we're dealing with. If anyone downloads both scens, they will see that the only similarity is in the titles. Mondas has apologized. Let's leave it at that and get back to what we enjoy about Civ2 and this forum . . . designing, doing artwork, playing etc.

Personally, I'm grateful that this thread has changed two anonymous names into two live Glaswegian students. Best of luck to both of you.