21-01-2001 21:57									#1
	Question for Dan, Mark or anyone who might know. Tired of ads?

On some UBB forums if I make a post, I can't get the updated page showing what I posted, sometimes not until a 2-3 hours later.

These forums are the ones where I have this problem.

ubb 5.45c
http://www.elderscrolls.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

ubb 5.44b
http://www.civgaming.net/cgi-bin/forums/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

Is there a particular setting on my browser that needs to be enabled or is it related to the web proxy used by my isp?

	22-01-2001 10:49									#2
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it's probably something with your web settings...

	22-01-2001 15:42									#3
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cache?

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	22-01-2001 20:18									#4
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The reason is, quite simply, that apolyton has a hack which appends a question mark and a post number onto the end of the url (used to be the time of the last post), fooling the cache into thinking you're loading a different page each time a new post is added (Which, in fact, you are, but the computer does not know that). This hack is lacking from the other forums.

	22-01-2001 21:03									#5
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Snapcase on Snapcase on 01-22-2001 10:18 AM</font>
The reason is, quite simply, that apolyton has a hack which appends a question mark and a post number onto the end of the url (used to be the time of the last post), fooling the cache into thinking you're loading a different page each time a new post is added (Which, in fact, you are, but the computer does not know that). This hack is lacking from the other forums.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>i dont think that's it, since i didnt have this problem in other forums

our hack is not there to fool the chache and reload the thread, but to fool the visited/unvisited feature of the browsers into showing a thread with new posts as unvisited

	23-01-2001 01:48									#6
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Mark, any idea which setting?

My standard settings
Internet - Virtually everthing disabled. Only file and font download enabled.
Trusted sites - Java scripting and cookies enabled with prompting. I use the PTFB utility to dispose of the prompt windows. Java = yes, Cookies = no unless a site can give me a really good reason to accept it.

The elderscrolls forum is listed in trusted sites whereas CGN isn't.

Cache = 1mb
Web history = 1 day

Refresh button/F5 has no effect.

	23-01-2001 07:01									#7
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Well, Mark, I have had problems in the past with the combination Internet Explorer and forums without the time/post-number append hack. On some (often public) computers, especially with IE 4.1, I have had the same problem Mouse described, and could not solve it short of clearing the cache in between each page load. Your hack has the nice side-benefit of actually stopping this stupid behaviour.

Oh, and if you want to see your post use CTRL+F5 instead of just F5. I think that might work.

	24-01-2001 03:36									#8
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Ctrl-F5 has no effect. Btw, I'm using IE5.01

	24-01-2001 03:39									#9
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Try typing in ?aaa or something (with the ? in front) after the URL. That's the only advice I can give. Doesn't give much relief, admittedly. Or, preassure the webmasters to include the ?1 hack.

	24-01-2001 06:02									#10
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if you have ie, see "tools" -> "internet options", then the "settings" button under "temporary internet files"
choose "every visit to the page"

	25-01-2001 00:35									#11
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I've tried that, and every other setting there with no effect. Could it be my isp's web proxy rather than my computer?

Edit - Snapcase, that worked.
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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Mouse (edited January 24, 2001).]</font>

	25-01-2001 01:37									#12
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if you're using a proxy it's very possible that that's what it is....

	25-01-2001 01:44									#13
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I'll have a chat to my isp then.

Update, adding ?a will get the updated page, but if I then reload that url without the ?a, the old page returns.

	25-01-2001 21:38									#14
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Mouse,

Clear both the memeory and disk cache. That should force a reload.

	26-01-2001 10:13									#15
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 01-25-2001 11:38 AM</font>
Clear both the memeory and disk cache. That should force a reload.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>


Every time he postes a message?...

	26-01-2001 00:44									#16
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I don't get this problem at Apolyton. But at Newsmax, I usually use thecloak ( http://www.the-cloak.com ) or some other remote proxy and I have no problems.

I'll try the hack with the letters after the ?.

	26-01-2001 15:31									#17
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Mouse,

You can try a direct connection to a problematic website to see if it's a proxy problem.


Builder,

No, just when he can't see the updates.

	27-01-2001 07:26									#18
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Builder, tried that. It's not my cache that's the problem.

My isp uses a transparent proxy, meaning I don't have to configure my browser for it. This means I can't do direct connections.

I've discovered some additions for this fix.

Adding ?a after a post does work, but if I made another post on that thread, the unmod'ed url gets the pre 1st post, url+?a gets page with first post but not with second post and url+?aa get fully updated page.
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