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HarryH is offline HarryH
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Olympia, WA
Sep 2002
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Friendly Relations: Monkey Suffering from ads?

Received from Beta of team Monkey:
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People of Sunshina.

Greetings from the besieged Monkeys. We are alive and well and holding off the attackers.

We would like to reach a deal for engineering. We understand you are the origin and dealer of such tech. You can appreciate our situation. We can pay cash - but not exorbitant amounts. Can we reach a deal?

Please let us know asap.

Many thanks! Beta of Monkey!!!

ps - we can and will abide by all no-trade clauses.

pps - any thoughts of a casual military incursion onto the other (our) continent?


My reply:
quote:

Hi Beta. I will post your message in our team forum. Togas is our relations person. I am getting ready to leave for Las Vegas to get married so I will not be around for a few days.

-- HarryH



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Wooglin is offline Wooglin
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Jul 2002
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pps- any thoughts of a casual military incursion onto the other (our) continent?


That cracked me up.

BigFree is offline BigFree

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Oct 1999
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That cracked me up.


Yeah, ask 'em if attacking them would be ok?

Trip is offline Trip
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Apr 2002
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Monkey sent us 220g unaccepted. Any updates from our diplo people? Not going to do anything with it, obviously, but it would be nice to know if there's anything going on...

Togas is offline Togas
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Jun 2002
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Gah. Just saw this.

220g for Engineering is MORE than enough. Unless there's any objections, I'll write them and apologize and tell them to send us 200g instead.

--Togas

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Jun 2002
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sent to Beta
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Beta,

Much apologies for not getting back to your team sooner, but I hadn't dropped into the Sunshine forum until today, so I missed your most recent correspondence.

As you may know, our team "accidentally" received contact with yours from Tabemono, as they were not supposed to trade it to us. We didn't complain, of course, but we also didn't pursue any trades as it might get the Tabs in trouble.

However, that was eons ago, and my personal feelings about the forced embargo of the teams who are beseiging you is ... well ... that it's rather unsunny. And we don't want to take part in any such behavior.

Team Sunshine wishes to be friends with all teams, no matter who they are, and we hope to be friends with everyone despite these horrible wars.

Therefore, we accept your humble trade request. We will sell you Engineering, we only ask that you not sell it to anyone else (no trade). For this, we will charge you 200g. (not 220 as you sent us).

Our turnplayer canceled the offer entirely, so please reoffer it and we will be on our way to a very sunny relationship.

--Togas

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Jun 2002
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quote:

Greetings Togas. Thanks for the reply - and many thanks for the deal. We commit to not trading it to another civ. And the Monkeys are pleased to meet such a happy and friendly civ. Unfortunately it is not like that over here.

In addition to the 200 gold, we are shipping to Team Sunshine a crate of our best bananas. (they make great daquiris.) Enjoy.

Cheers ...Beta, the Macaque, of Monkey.

Togas is offline Togas
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Jun 2002
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Greetings Mr Happy of Sunshine.

Thank you again for the previous deal.

The Monkeys are humbling inquiring as to whether a deal for feudalism would be possible. Again - cash is all we can offer. And we are more than willing to committ to never trading the tech.

Please let us know. Thanks. ...Beta.


I think we should sell it to them. They could really use this tech in their war. Let's charge them 250 for it. Yes? No?

--Togas

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quote:

Beta,

Team Sunshine has agreed to sell Team Monkey our knowledge of Feudalism. We ask that you pay us 250 gold for this knowledge.

We also ask two more things:
1) That you do not sell, trade, give, etc, this knowledge to any other team.
2) That you do not tell anyone that we gave you this knowledge.

If you agree, please let us know and please begin diplomacy by offering us 250g. This will remind our turnplayer to make the trade.

--Togas

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Beta,

Please let us know if you need more time for the payment, or if it has to be broken into a few turns, etc. Our turnplayer is getting confused, and begining to think that you don't want our Feudalism knowledge

--Togas

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Jun 2002
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from Beta
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Hi Togas. We definitely do want feudalism - but unfortunately we have fallen out of our GA. We are currently carrying a massive army - (and are still only average to CoD and Python) - and hence a negative cash flow. We need feudalism, and then invention, and then cash for longbow upgrades. We are working on a few domestic plans to help straighten out finances - but we will not be generating a lot of cash.

So - if your nation can find it in its heart to gift us feudalism, we would be eternally grateful. As to a cash deal - well - we could probably spare say, 80 gold right now - but then we will be begging for that same cash shortly for upgrades.

CoD and Python know where they have us. They could not crack thorugh the num merc and catapult defence we had built up - in fact, we gave Python quite a licking. So they have pulled back - and with their much superior economies, I expect we will see massive amounts of spears, longbows, and catapults coming our way.

I am about to embark on a diplomatic mission to the four nations on your continent. I appreciate that there are some tensions. But it would be helpful to all concerned - and I am not just talking our team here - if the four could set aside your differences - each build 3 to 5 galleys with troops, and set sail for Python and/or CoD. Python would be the best target. We suspect they should be fairly exposed up north, and it may expedite a peace agreement on our continent.

There's the situation. Any thoughts?

Beta the Macaque of the Simian Civilization.

Trip is offline Trip
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Well, we obviously cannot help militarily, as we have 0 Gallies and hardly any land units.

As far as gifting techs...

I think we should go ahead and do it. They'll just beg from someone else, and maybe pay THEM for it. Meanwhile, while Monkey continues to hold out against Python and CoD they'll all be weakening each other. Let Monkey bleed them dry. They'll eventually both be quite strong.

Togas is offline Togas
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I don't mind charity, but I don't think we should GIFT it to them, as it may seem that we're siding with them over CoD and Python.

Let's just sell it at a tremendous discount, say, 50g? What's a nice # that will help us rush a granary or temple?

--Togas

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As long as they never disclose who they got the techs from then I don't see what the problem is. If everyone denies giving Monkey the techs then we should be alright. Even selling things to them could be construded as favoring them, I don't see a big difference.

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Let's sell it to them for 50 gold and then deny selling it because we wouldn't want to hurt anyones feelings about it.

Togas is offline Togas
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from Hot_Enamel
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Good Day to Team Sunshine,

I know Beta has been talking to you about some tech trades, but he has been RL busy and posted that he hasn’t been chasing you guys down.
So, I thought I would send you a quick note.

Unlike my learned monkey colleague, I speak quite plainly and direct. And I think may be worth Monkeys while to put all of our banana’s on the table.

Firstly .. just a little history.

The propaganda we published on the main forum is actually pretty accurate. There has been only one small intentional twist. We painted CoD as the main protagonist and Python as their feeble followers. We are however, well aware that the attack on Team Monkey was Pythons idea, and CoD just went along for the ride.
But we are still right in saying that CoD has the most to gain. CoD’s leadership has, on more than one occasion, sent us mail exclaiming their innocence and that it was all Pythons idea. (Basically wanting to create a loophole if it all goes pear-shaped and painting Python as the bad guys). We have had some fun screwing with CoDs head by saying we know Python was only following their ideas.

Pythons plan is to have North & South core, with CoD in the middle. (Stupid :rolleyes

Anyway .. enough of that.

Our tech trades….And I will speak plainly.
Monkey has very little to offer in the way of compensation for any tech traded.
We have maxed out our army for our empire size, and are running at 0gpt.

I cannot see how we can ever begin to make money again unless hostilities suddenly stop. And that will not happen.
So, from my point of view, we are simply begging for free tech so as to make the battle for Python & CoD as bloody as possible.
We know that they are waiting for longbowmen before attacking again, and invention must be coming up pretty soon.
When that happens, unless the monkey RNG gods favour us again, Monkey will be overrun. We know this for certain.
What we want to do is to hurt the CoD & Python empires as much as possible. Make them pour as much as they can into their military rather than their infrastructure.

And we do this, to ensure neither of these teams can gain world dominance. And you should be aware … Python & CoD are ONE TEAM and should be treated as such.

So .. for your “gift” of Fuedalsim and eventually Invention, we can offer very little other than making two of your competitors pay dearly in blood.
However, thinking outside the box, we can offer…
Future Ivory (if by chance we hold onto our little territory.) – Unlikely
A secret ally, that can be used to spy on your competitors during war.
Or even a second empire if you wish to re-establish us in any conquered territory.

Our small island is our eventual refuge. It is safe from any invasion until marines. So we are guaranteed to be around for a large part of this game.


Note, all of this above is just my thoughts, and any agreement needs to be voted upon by Team Monkey.
But probably the only dissent from our end would be that our cash reserves are so poor, that we could not afford longbowmen upgrades anyway. And since I am already on my knees begging for tech, I might as well let you know that any cash you could lend us would obviously be appreciated.

Especially if it had very long term repayment terms

Anyway .. That’s the update.
Monkey days are numbered on the main continent. We only wish to make it as painful as possible for Python & CoD. Sunshine is not going to ever make any money from us in selling tech. And your immediate compensation will just be the weakening of your competitors as they spend the bulk of their economy on military.

Kind Regards with a bunch of Kiwi Fruit.

Hot_Enamel of Team Monkey

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Hot_Enamel,

We here at Team Sunshine do very much feel the pain of Team Monkey. We believe in preserving the environment and protecting the wild life and worry that these other teams are trying to drive your people to extinction. We do not want to see this happen! It would be horrible for the eco-system and for future generations of hippies who may never see a real live monkey.

We do not have Invention ... yet. But we are actively seeking it out and will be one of the first to aquire it. We will do our best to try to get it to you by (hopefully) aquiring it in a basic trade that does not have a "no gift" clause. We may also ask another civ to gift it if necessary. We will then gift you Feudalism and Invention to aid you in your struggles.

Should trade become possible between us in the future, we ask only for some spare ivory to help make our people happy.

We wish you success and a sunshiney day.

--Togas

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