16-06-2004 15:04									#1
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How about a houserule for ACDG III that any faction may own maximum twice the number of crawlers/trawlers and formers/seaformers then it has bases at any time?

It keeps the AI longer competitive, and will surely increase turn playin' time because no numerous units need to be micromanaged. Rushing a SP still stays possible with this, and crawlers/formers do not necessary be rehomed to other bases when a given base already has 2 crawlers/formers.

Knowing you guys, I won't expect much support for such a proposal, but perhaps one can see it as a challenge...

	16-06-2004 15:10									#2
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I voted native life crawlers.

It would be interesting if you tried to enter fungus and an crawler appeared, especially interesting if the gaians captured it.

	16-06-2004 15:13									#3
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Voted yes, off course.

And to clear any misunderstandings, XenoCrawlers is the obligatory banana option, although your sugggestion is interesting Kody. It can easily be implemented in the #UNITS list by the map creator.

	16-06-2004 17:51									#4
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Nice suggestion, but IMHO wouldn't it just encourage massive ICS?

	16-06-2004 18:07									#5
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I voted "No", as it isn't faction-neutral. Morgan depends on crawlers to be competitive in the game, and if there are to be limits on what a faction can build or own, then let's limit armies, native units, probe activity, etc.

So, a resounding NO

G.

	16-06-2004 18:39									#6
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No way José, for the same reasons as Googlie has given above.

Can we have a discussion thread before a poll next time please?

	16-06-2004 18:39									#7
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No offense

Another Morgan "NO" vote.

	16-06-2004 20:05									#8
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I voted no too. Not so much I know if it is to the Gaian's benefit, just because I don't think we should regulate the way one plays his game.

	16-06-2004 20:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Chaunk Can we have a discussion thread before a poll next time please?

I guess I better started this topic in the help/strategy thread. But a discussion was barely needed looking at the votes sofar.

	16-06-2004 21:09									#10
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Even I would vote no, because this is drastic, and needs a good discussion before poll.

	16-06-2004 22:58									#11
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Aditional Morgaic No vote. Though the idea is somewhat intriging to me none the less.

	16-06-2004 23:03									#12
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NO. We need to keep the game as vanilla as possible. That's what we've all played and I think we should keep it that way.

	16-06-2004 23:37									#13
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Morganic NO vote.

	16-06-2004 23:39									#14
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Seems like the Morganites have turned out in force at this election

	17-06-2004 01:25									#15
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Nyet!

	17-06-2004 01:32									#16
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Judging from the look of this thread, the Morgans will be the winner for the next game.

	17-06-2004 01:41									#17
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HongHu! How can you say that! Since Kody hasn't joined anyone, there is still a lot of possibilities.

	17-06-2004 01:44									#18
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But they are 7 vs 2 of us! And 1 each from the others. They are not a concern any more I think.

	17-06-2004 01:56									#19
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In this thread HH, in this thread,

	17-06-2004 02:19									#20
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Consider this the eigth Morganic NO vote...

Honestly, I´d love to see that implemented in a SP demogame, but not here since it would screw any faction capped in base ressource gathering.

Who sais the non-builders weren´t allowed to build millions of crawlers/formers? May the better played faction win, not the one with the most advatages right from the start....

	17-06-2004 03:21									#21
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No. Let's not open up this particular can of worms, please.

	17-06-2004 04:09									#22
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Well, glad to see that a large majority of members can agree on something

	17-06-2004 04:41									#23
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How are the Morganites more reliant on Crawlers than anyone else?

	17-06-2004 05:04									#24
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Because of their population caps, they have to build crawlers to have the same production levels as other factions from each base. This could conceivably be avoided with ICS, but then you run into Bureaucracy problems. So crawlers are the Morganites' supplier of choice.

	17-06-2004 08:23									#25
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No.

The Morganite voting block in this thread is a tiny glimpse of our true power.

	17-06-2004 10:17									#26
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Actually I voted No as well. I'm sure others from the less greedy factions did as well. So the outcome of this poll can't be blamed on the Morganites.

	17-06-2004 10:40									#27
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I voted no as well, regardless of the fact that this would probably benefit the Spartans at the other teams' expence.

	17-06-2004 11:02									#28
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The crawler restriction would have far more impact on strategies or tactics used rather than which faction.

The main ones I can think of are to do with base density, whether you're going specialist, amount of drone control you need, and how much economic buildup you're planning. These things aren't very unique to any faction, so I would say the comparative benefits or disadvantages for any particular faction isn't as servere as people think.

I do think it will help the the teams that have weak economic strategies. Morgan ofcourse needs a fairly strong economic strategy so admitly it does affect him more.

There are ofcourse alternatives to crawlers, you just need to think outside the box, I've figured out a tactic that can actually pays better dividens than building crawlers under certain circumstances (works well for gaian and spartans), but takes more effort to setup. Still need to balance development with crawlers ofcourse as you need the base minerals and nutrients and crawlers are essential for SPs.

Last edited by Kody on 17-06-2004 at 11:07