18-06-2004 00:25									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun Allright, we agree then, but there still is a risk, and if that risk is worth letting 9 night that can be used very well at the Ruhrpott front to cause nessecary or extra damage, that is up to each of you to determine. But I think that with an originally estimated (under the original estimated conditions) succes percentage of less than 66%, which is, for an all-or-nothing attack already quite low, with such a low percentage, you should just not attack at all and think of a better strategy. Aidun

I agree, but unless someone reverses their Yes vote from the previous poll, we're going to Parthe.

	18-06-2004 01:20									#32
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Kloreep, can you start a Poll, that links the last several discussion threads into it.

Asking if we should send just the 6 knights or the 9 knights.

E_T

	18-06-2004 21:02									#33
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What's the old saying about eggs in one basket?

I'm not sure that smashing Ruhrpott will deliver the blow we need to catch up with them. Possibly in conjunction with our GA, but it still seems a little flimsy when they have such a mega-cash producing marvel like Parthe.

A shot at that is better than trying to 'play it safe' with just Ruhrpott. We're not into playing safe - this whole idea is reckless and crazy. The reason it was brought up was because we needed something BIG to make a difference. Even doing some terrain damage at Parthe will set them back some, and with a city that multiplies trade bonuses so much, every bit would be worth it.

I'll be surprised if they think we are sending multiple fleets, seeing how many Caravels will be needed for the huge number of Knights etc at Ruhrpott. Don't we have zero defending units in many of our cities? If there was a sneak GWT landing in some of our homelands there would not normally be enough troops to defend - the only reason we have a few near some cities is due to upgrading for the invasion. Because of this I think the several turn delay in the Parthe landing is [I[ideal[/I]. You can't defend everywhere unless you run a large military bill. Quite possibly a large number of Ansars will be disbanded once CGN is gone - the GA is triggered, and you don't need that many troops to defend your continent from a single landing point.

Yes, it is possible this will fail, but it always has been. This way we are trying to do as much damage as possible in as unexpected a way as possible. What more could you want from a surprise attack like this? We have to be daring to even conceive of this tactic. Daring a little more may make huge difference in the later game war.

	19-06-2004 00:38									#34
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I say use all our nights to pilage as much as we can in the Rhurpott area.. In my MP experience splitting your forces is usually not productive unless your delibrately using them as a diversion (which we are not) or you plan on catching them completely by suprise, with no chance for reinforcements. Too Chancy givin their 3 move UU and the fact it is their core.

	19-06-2004 00:41									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt A shot at that is better than trying to 'play it safe' with just Ruhrpott. We're not into playing safe - this whole idea is reckless and crazy. The reason it was brought up was because we needed something BIG to make a difference. Even doing some terrain damage at Parthe will set them back some, and with a city that multiplies trade bonuses so much, every bit would be worth it.

And that BIG blow is losing their FP. The FP loss will be quite staggering to many of their cities rather than just one city. Parth would just be icing on the top, though quite some icing nonetheless.

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt I'll be surprised if they think we are sending multiple fleets, seeing how many Caravels will be needed for the huge number of Knights etc at Ruhrpott. Don't we have zero defending units in many of our cities? If there was a sneak GWT landing in some of our homelands there would not normally be enough troops to defend - the only reason we have a few near some cities is due to upgrading for the invasion. Because of this I think the several turn delay in the Parthe landing is [I[ideal[/I]. You can't defend everywhere unless you run a large military bill. Quite possibly a large number of Ansars will be disbanded once CGN is gone - the GA is triggered, and you don't need that many troops to defend your continent from a single landing point.

It's not just if they're expecting a landing by Parthe and thus _want_ to defend it, it's if they _can_. Depending on the state of their military after Micco, and on just what that unaccounted 40% of their army is, they could have defenses near Parth simply because they can. They may not build much more military if they're trying to improve their economy, but they will try to be vigilante for landings at all times with what they have already regardless of what they expect, simply because they can and you never know what's coming next.

	19-06-2004 02:13									#36
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I talked a bit with bongo this morning about PTWDG stuff. He made a vague reference to next turn being "important" in the ISDG so it may well be GWT's final attack.

	19-06-2004 04:00									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen I talked a bit with bongo this morning about PTWDG stuff. He made a vague reference to next turn being "important" in the ISDG so it may well be GWT's final attack.

Interesting. I thought their stack still had one more turn to go if they wanted to bring the slowmovers?

	19-06-2004 04:06									#38
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maybe they have another big move up their sleeve? do we know where their navy is

	19-06-2004 06:01									#39
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel maybe they have another big move up their sleeve? do we know where their navy is

Right outside Incensity!!!!

	19-06-2004 06:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen I talked a bit with bongo this morning about PTWDG stuff. He made a vague reference to next turn being "important" in the ISDG so it may well be GWT's final attack.

It will likely be them using their GL to get Sistine

E_T

	19-06-2004 06:17									#41
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quote: Originally posted by E_T It will likely be them using their GL to get Sistine

Let's hope so.