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Chemical Ollie
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Bored of this board
Jan 2002
time: 06:36
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
The US DID attack Iraq under Clinton (Operation Desert Thunder) |
I know, thus the troll
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Ergo, IF US plans for a conventional attack make Iraqi plans for a terrorist attack irrelevant, than wouldnt the actual US attack under Clinton make ACTUAL Iraqi support for a terrorist attack irrelevant? Ergo, even if Saddam HAD been behind 9/11 (which he wasnt) then that would have been a justified response to US attack? Is that not the logical conclusion from your implicit equivalence? |
Too many words, too much whiskey (for me)
Not to defend Saddam in any way, I supported kicking Iraq out of Q8, but just tell me, how many air missions were directly aimed at killing Saddam in GW1? (answer = dozens)
How many assassin attempts did Saddam later on do on Bush the Elder (answer = 1)
There were some discussion in Swedish media the other day, that at least 50-100 air mission (counting only the confirmed errors) on Iraq in the recent war were total failures and hit purely civilian targets, yet no investigation has been started to find out what went wrong. You should expect more from a power that says it started the war to implement democracy in the Middle East.
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:36
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My isn't this article interesting reading:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2EPOOJVBVEZ3MCRBAE0CFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5460311
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Russia 'Warning' on Saddam Puzzles U.S.
Fri Jun 18, 2004 03:44 PM ET
By Raushan Nurshayeva
ASTANA (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States after the September 11, 2001 attacks that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned to hit targets on U.S. soil, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
Putin's remarks looked certain to help President Bush, but officials at the State Department expressed bafflement, saying they knew of no such information from Russia.
Putin said Russian intelligence had been told on several occasions that Saddam's special forces were preparing to attack U.S. targets inside and outside the United States.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received information that the official services of the Saddam regime were preparing 'terrorist acts' on the United States and beyond its borders," he told reporters.
"This information was passed on to our American colleagues," he said. He added, however, that Russian intelligence had no proof that Saddam's agents had been involved in any particular attack.
State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No such information was communicated from Russia through the State Department, he said.
"Everybody's scratching their heads," said one State Department official, who asked not to be named.
But the Kremlin leader's comments seemed certain to bolster Bush, whose campaign for re-election in November is under pressure from the Iraq crisis.
Bush has been on the defensive at home for insisting -- against the findings of an independent commission -- that Saddam had links with al Qaeda, the militant group behind the 2001 airline attacks in the United States that killed nearly 3,000 people and prompted the U.S. war on terrorism.
Putin's remarks were all the more unusual since Russia had diplomatic relations with Saddam's Iraq and sided with France and Germany in opposing the invasion.
Speaking to reporters in the capital of ex-Soviet Kazakhstan, he went out of his way, however, to say Russia's view of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was unchanged.
"Our position has not changed. We indeed passed this information on to our American partners but we consider that there are rules, defined by international law, for using force in international affairs and these procedures were not observed," he said.
It is not the first time that Putin, who has forged a strong personal bond with Bush despite opposing him diplomatically over Iraq, has come to his defense on the issue.
At a summit of G8 world industrialized powers at the U.S. resort of Sea Island last week, where he met Bush separately, Putin stepped into the U.S. campaign by chastising U.S. Democrats for attacking the Republican president on Iraq.
He said they had "no moral right" to do so since it had been the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton that had authorized the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia by U.S. and NATO forces.
Bush, speaking in Washington Thursday, strenuously asserted there was a link between Saddam and al Qaeda even though the independent September 11 commission reported, a day before, that there was no such evidence of collaboration.
Intelligence reports of a link between Saddam and al Qaeda were part of Bush's rationale for the invasion of Iraq where more than 830 U.S. soldiers have died after 14 months of violence.
Đ Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.
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And another one bites the dust...
The justifications for the war are dying as fast as poor little puppies getting thrown in a river 
Basically, as many of us suspected, Putin is full of BS as usual.
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johncmcleod
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Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA
Jan 2002
time: 21:36
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I'm going to point out the obvious. Russia says they told us about these terrorist plans, the US says they didn't. Obviously someone is lying. Now I don't see why the US would deny knowledge of these plans. If Russia did find these plans and send them to the US, Bush would be delighted to get more evidence for his war on Iraq and would use it as 'smoking gun evidence.' But this didn't happen, so it seems to me that the Russians are doing this to get US support.
Besides that, these plans are ridiculous. As it has been stated, just because they have a plan doesn't mean they will attack. But most of all, why would Iraq attack us? Why would a struggling third world country in the middle of the desert make a terrorist attack on the US? The Americans would cry, "Because they hate us!" But I really don't think Saddam hates us. After all, we supported the Baathist coup that put him in power, gave Saddam plenty of support and weapons and allowed US corporations to sell him chemicals for WMD. And the terrorists that attack the US do so because of religious reason. They are usually radical Shiites. Saddam is not like this. He is a secular sunni and probably has very little devotion to his religion anyway. Saddam is the opposite of Osama bin Laden, and Saddam is an enemy to any radicalist terrorist such as ObL.
And even if, for no apparent reason, Saddam made an unprovoked attack on the US, it would just give Bush the perfect excuse to invade Iraq. Saddam would get flattened, and America would have the world's support. Saddam is a bad guy but he is rational and he isn't suicidal.
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19-06-2004 01:06
This was not the tune I heard when France "backstabbed" the US by precisely refusing to join its war in Iraq. 
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