31-01-2001 17:11									#31
	Tired of ads?

MarkG if you want ad income put a lot of text links.

I have banners.

a) It slows you down

b)The majority of the are vague and or swicth and bait ads.I really like to know where the link will take me before I oush that button.Text link are much more clear.

C)All the time I have active-x disable in explorer 5 because there are a lot of viruses that use active-x conrols.
That means that I cant see flash ads.
Also if internet is congested i also disable pictures.
This does not effect text links.

When i surf the net I click a lot of text links but almost never banners.

I learned to hate banners.

So my advice.
If you want more income place a lot of text link ads mayby 6 in the bottom instead of putting new banners.

	31-01-2001 17:59									#32
	Suffering from ads?

What advertisers want advertising text links?

None that I can think of. Who'd click on them anyway?

	31-01-2001 18:01									#33
	Remove this text

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MikeH on 01-31-2001 07:59 AM</font>
What advertisers want advertising text links?

///Advertisers care about cost/clickthrough
None that I can think of. Who'd click on them anyway?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Me

	31-01-2001 18:08									#34
	Suffering from ads?

Oh and MarkG the apolytot logo is 16 K
If the ? makes browser reload whole page then this 16 k must be reloaded every time.
If that the case can you please compress it to a jpg ?
With ulead smart saver you can reduce it either to 8k with no difference is quality or 5k with a slight deterioration to quality.

16 k is the size of an extra banner.

	31-01-2001 18:40									#35
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

thanks for the suggestions

we are already thinking of text links as well

	31-01-2001 20:28									#36
	Increase Your PM Length

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>i guess i'm stupid thinking that you would realise by yourself that you should continue the discussion of one of the recent changes in the thread that already exists for it(you know the one titled The New Forum Listings Design)
oh well...
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I guess that you could realize by yourself that I really don't care that much mr. smarta$$. In the future I'll just leave opinions on the site to "the experts". I'm sorry my understanding of protocol for this forum must not be on the "mark".

	31-01-2001 20:47									#37
	Support Apolyton

Here are some suggesstions:

1. If both of the ads are of equal length, put them both on the right side, and put the Apolyton logo, the pull-down menu, the browsing tree, etc. on the left.

2. If they aren't of equal length, put them to the right and flush left. Then flush right everything on the left. Leave a small gap between the two imaginary vertical lines.

3. Another source for income is to become an associate at Amazon.com or some similar company. Make sure they have games for sale. Then put up links. Whenever somebody buys through one of these links the company will give a small percentage back.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited January 31, 2001).]</font>

	31-01-2001 21:13									#38
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by drake on 01-31-2001 10:28 AM</font>
I guess that you could realize by yourself that I really don't care that much mr. smarta$$. In the future I'll just leave opinions on the site to "the experts". I'm sorry my understanding of protocol for this forum must not be on the "mark".


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How would you feel if Apolyton closed ?
We would all get a pernament vacation.
If you listen at news
you would now that there is nasdaq collapse dot.com collapse and the web advertising brings much less money now than before.
Would you like to have to pay 30 -60 $ per year just to post in apolyton ?

90 % would leave because they would not like to pay and the others would leave because there would not be many people here.

Its my guess that the admin do not like to pay for bandwinth from their own pockets.

So they must find a way to make some money out of this forum.

In my opinion one of the things that this forum does is support civ ctp and smac games.

For example the I was very ambivalent about buying ctp2.

I bought it because I knew that wes would make a medievil mod with the help of apolyton community.

I would not buy it otherwise.

I am actually surpised that the companies that make these games dont advertise their products on apolyton.
Not to sell more but to give some kind of financial support.Because if the apolyton community closes one thing is for certain.They are going to sell less games.

	31-01-2001 21:24									#39
	Suffering from ads?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 01-31-2001 10:47 AM</font>
1. If both of the ads are of equal length, put them both on the right side, and put the Apolyton logo, the pull-down menu, the browsing tree, etc. on the left.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>they wouldnt fit on 800x600(the apolyton logo is too big )

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>3. Another source for income is to become an associate at Amazon.com or some similar company. Make sure they have games for sale. Then put up links. Whenever somebody buys through one of these links the company will give a small percentage back.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>we already do this

	31-01-2001 21:34									#40
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=2>they wouldnt fit on 800x600(the apolyton logo is too big )
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Make it smaller or get rid of it.(use the Snapcase to english translator )

If you make it smaller you can put a link to a glorius big huge version.

Also do you offer banners for people to put on their websites to link to apolyton ?

	31-01-2001 23:46									#41
	Increase Your PM Length

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by sleeperservice on 01-31-2001 11:34 AM</font>
Also do you offer banners for people to put on their websites to link to apolyton ?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>yes, look here http://apolyton.net/about/link.shtml

	31-01-2001 23:46									#42
	Remove this text

Sleeperservice
I dont get why you had my quote on your post.........
I'm confused.....

	01-02-2001 00:51									#43
	Got spare money?

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by drake on 01-31-2001 01:46 PM</font>
Sleeperservice
I dont get why you had my quote on your post.........
I'm confused.....
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Something in your post ((mr. smarta$$)) suggested that you might think that the admins earn a lot of money from this forums.

I dont think so !

	01-02-2001 01:09									#44
	Got spare money?

dude, you are way off.....the "$$" was just to replace "ss", so it wouldnt get censored. It had nothing to do with money.

Where did you pull that story from anyway? Who ever said that the people who work for apolyton make a lot of money?

Doesnt matter. We're getting off topic, so I'm stopping.

	01-02-2001 02:27									#45
	Got spare money?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/15870.html

When CNET announced last week that it was to pull the plug on its Gamecenter Alliance, owners of gaming sites sat up and paid attention. The one network that was expected to survive beyond all others will, at the end of the month, be history.

And when it emerged two days later that the UGO Network is slashing its affiliate payments to $1 per thousand ad impressions, a lot of people started to get very nervous.

The online gaming scene has been a staple of Internet life for as long as most participants can remember. It is a place where friendships are formed, careers are built and sites run by individuals or small teams can put the big boys to shame.


Most gaming sites are funded entirely by advertising revenue from affiliate networks.

An unnamed UGO spokesperson told Gamers.com: "Right now in this market, it's difficult for any entertainment site to survive."

The situation affecting UGO is reportedly so bad that if affiliates don't play ball and negotiate a lower advertising rate, the network will cut payments regardless - and risk being sued for breach of contract.

MarkG will Apolyton make it ?

	01-02-2001 02:37									#46
	Remove this text

A reasonable question, sleeperservice; the article you link to above was one of the first that brought the extent of this situation to light earlier this month.

Of course Apolyton will survive. The gaming network market may have entered a difficult period, which includes Apolyton, but we will come out all right. Shifts such as this come and go in any industry and it is simply a matter of riding it out.

----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS

	01-02-2001 02:41									#47
	Tired of ads?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by DanQ on 01-31-2001 04:37 PM</font>
Of course Apolyton will survive.
----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS
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Well you better be right.I will be sad if it doesnt.

	01-02-2001 02:48									#48
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by sleeperservice on 01-31-2001 04:41 PM</font>
I will be sad if it doesnt.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>well, if you click ever now and then on the mycomputer.com ads which are click-based(unlike the ugo ones) you might end up a happier person

	01-02-2001 21:34									#49
	Support Apolyton

I do not know if you have been doing something, MarkG, but the delay problem seems to be gone. If it was your doing, then thanks a lot!

	02-02-2001 10:14									#50
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Tau Ceti on 02-01-2001 11:34 AM</font>
I do not know if you have been doing something, MarkG, but the delay problem seems to be gone. If it was your doing, then thanks a lot!
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>we've added new ads in the rotation beyond the mycomputer.com ones. i think the new ones are not re-requested when you go back

	02-02-2001 09:47									#51
	Support Apolyton

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 01-31-2001 11:24 AM</font>They wouldnt fit on 800x600(the apolyton logo is too big )
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At the risk of being called a heretic, couldn't we make the Apolyton logo a wee bit smaller so they would both fit? You can't make the ads smaller, but you could make other things smaller.

	03-02-2001 16:29									#52
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>Buy Call to Power II now. $44.95
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Browsing the Clash of Civilisations forum, I saw the above ad. It is one of the new ones, on the right side.

A question to Mark and Dan: Did it ever occur to you that some people in the CtP forum will be REALLY frustrated when they see this? I saw some people there going berzerk against Activision the other day.
Gosh, I'd give anything to see the look on their faces!

Well, it's a good sign, our Administrators really have a sense of humor.

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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

	04-02-2001 00:48									#53
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by axi on 02-03-2001 06:29 AM</font>
Browsing the Clash of Civilisations forum, I saw the above ad. It is one of the new ones, on the right side.

A question to Mark and Dan: Did it ever occur to you that some people in the CtP forum will be REALLY frustrated when they see this? I saw some people there going berzerk against Activision the other day.
Gosh, I'd give anything to see the look on their faces!

Well, it's a good sign, our Administrators really have a sense of humor.


<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Its an ad.It keeps the forum alive.Its not humor

	04-02-2001 01:14									#54
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by axi on 02-03-2001 06:29 AM</font>
A question to Mark and Dan: Did it ever occur to you that some people in the CtP forum will be REALLY frustrated when they see this? I saw some people there going berzerk against Activision the other day.
Gosh, I'd give anything to see the look on their faces!
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>we've got a ctp2 cover box image with a link to buy ctp2 on the main ctp2 page. nobody said anything about it and there are still orders for ctp2 you know...

	04-02-2001 01:23									#55
	Inflate your Upload Space

and the specific banner has one of the best click ratios!