30-01-2001 04:46									#1
	The New Forum Listings Design Increase Your PM Length

It's butt-ugly. Get rid of it.

	30-01-2001 05:00									#2
	Remove this text

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Snapcase on Snapcase on 01-29-2001 06:46 PM</font>
It's butt-ugly. Get rid of it.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>was that meant as a suggestion or as an order?

	30-01-2001 06:18									#3
	Tired of ads?

Ah, yes, while you're at it, could you make me a cup of tea? There's a good lad. Now run along.

	30-01-2001 06:26									#4
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Mark, Snapcase meant to say,

"These new forum listing designs are unasthetically pleasing. If you would be so kind as to change it, it would be greatly appreciated."



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	30-01-2001 06:29									#5
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Midshipman, where did you get the snapcase-to-english translator? i need one badly!

	30-01-2001 06:30									#6
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Is this about the redesign to put a second ad at the top of the topic listings? I find that extremely annoying, as it consistently introduces a new 4-5 second delay every time I use the 'back' button after having read a topic. Unless something is done about that, I will have to get one of those ad removers.

	30-01-2001 06:39									#7
	Got spare money?

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Tau Ceti on 01-29-2001 08:30 PM</font>
I find that extremely annoying
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>imagine how annoying it was when we learned that our ad ingome(you know, that thing that keeps this site alive) would be cut significantly...
<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>I will have to get one of those ad removers.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>thanks for the support....


<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited January 29, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 06:59									#8
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As economy was obviously a factor here, I did not expect that anything would be done about it. But it is still annoying. I do not particularly mind the ads themselves, but when they start to interfere with my browsing, enough is enough...

Is it the ad servers that are slow, or is there something in the page code that could be improved? I notice that the top ad is always drawn first (on top of the old page), regardless of whether it should be visible or not...

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Tau Ceti (edited January 29, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 11:00									#9
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Why not move both ads to the top, right next to each other? That way it's more aesthetically acceptable.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by reismark (edited January 30, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 11:41									#10
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by reismark on 01-30-2001 01:00 AM</font>
Why not move both ads to the top, right next to each other? That way it's more aesthetically acceptable.

<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>they would not show up correctly at 800x600

	30-01-2001 15:06									#11
	Got spare money?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>imagine how annoying it was when we learned that our ad ingome(you know, that thing that keeps this site alive) would be cut significantly...
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> You think that's bad? I don't get any ad income from LWMN for CGN, and I can't display banners other than theirs on their servers. Time to put a little pressure on them...

Some suggestions as to make it look slightly better...

1) Move the "Show topics" menu underneath the ad and all the way over to the right so the submit buttons from both menus line up

2) Put the profile/register/etc. links back in one row and move them down and to the left directly across from the news menu (like in the actual threads)

	30-01-2001 15:48									#12
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Wtf is that "MyComputer.com" invisible link-line beneath the second ad? Why is it there? Isn't it kind of tricky, being there, since a click on presumably empty space and only millemeters away of a useful button will send you away from Apolyton. And why does the old ad open up a new window but the new one sends you away on the same one?

Suggestions:
Give us a discrete border for those ad links
Or some spacing between the ad and the vital stuff below them
Or place the MyComputer.com above the banner
And of course make them open in a new window!

What really annoys me about those banners is that some times they are dizzying. If I were you, I wouldn't accept a banner like "What country is Arnold Schwarzenegger from?". That thing is gonna make us epileptic!

Damn Capitalists!

To MarkG and DanQ: Please don't be offended. I am angry but my anger isn't directed towards you. I know you're devoted to the civvin community and that you really don't like your site crammed with silly ads. I trust that you can find solutions to ease up the problem. I just have to emphasise this:

GET RID OF THAT STUPID AD! IT'S MAKING ME NUTS!


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	30-01-2001 16:01									#13
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

1) reismark, axi please tell me the resolutions you see the page on
2) axi, the "mycomputer" thing is added by the provide of the ad(mycomputer.com)
3) we dont select one-by-one the ads that we show(as we have said my times)

	30-01-2001 16:22									#14
	Tired of ads?

I use 1280*1024 in a maximised window of IE, but with a Favorites sidebar. I have switched to 800*600 to see how it looks like and I aknowledge that it's hard work to make the same page look nice in both resolutions.

But at least can we have the new ads open a new window? Is it that hard?

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	30-01-2001 16:30									#15
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I am on 1024x768

axi: relax. I'm sure Markos can add a 'target="_blank"' to the links so they open in a new window...
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by reismark (edited January 30, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 17:00									#16
	Suffering from ads?

changes
1) the "show topics" drop down menu is now on the left
2) ads have a grey border
3) mycomputer ads open in new window
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited January 30, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 17:01									#17
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Definitely better... but... the mycomputer ads are still opening in the same window for me
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by reismark (edited January 30, 2001).]</font>

	30-01-2001 17:36									#18
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Ugh... why did you move the forum name up? Now there's just a big space there...

	30-01-2001 18:30									#19
	Put an end to popups!

incomplete change...
there was a power failure in half of my city

"show topics" menu moved...

	30-01-2001 20:42									#20
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I'd move the "Post New Topic" button and all those words to the left, and center all the old commands under the button as per before, since there is enough space now. And move the forum name down.

	30-01-2001 20:49									#21
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What the hell happened to the link to the main forum listing page ?!? I have no problems with the other parts of the layout, but... I do visit other forums than the OT, just not so often. And I think most of the others OTers are similar.

	31-01-2001 10:46									#22
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you can click on the apolyton logo to get back to the main forum page

	31-01-2001 02:21									#23
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change: profile/register/etc links put in one line and aligned right

they couldnt be put on the left cause they didnt fit in one line on 800x600...

	31-01-2001 03:25									#24
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Not too bad. I'm having trouble with the new position of the "10 days" combo box, whose Go button seems to drop down to the line below in IE, though not in netscape.

	31-01-2001 04:36									#25
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Has it gotten to the point that a 5-6 second delay will destroy life as we know it? I get mad when there is a delay too, but life goes on.

	31-01-2001 04:42									#26
	Suffering from ads?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Snapcase on Snapcase on 01-30-2001 05:25 PM</font>
Not too bad. I'm having trouble with the new position of the "10 days" combo box, whose Go button seems to drop down to the line below in IE, though not in netscape.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>fixed

i think it looks better on 800x600 than on 1024x768...


Sprayber, thanks

	31-01-2001 05:19									#27
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Sprayber on 01-30-2001 06:36 PM</font>
Has it gotten to the point that a 5-6 second delay will destroy life as we know it? I get mad when there is a delay too, but life goes on.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

My browsing habits here are probably a bit strange. I run a SMAC PBEM tournament, and regularly check the turn administration threads to see if there are any problems etc. Usually there are none, and then checking the thread is a less than 10-second process. It follows that the ratio of time spent looking at 'Click on the 666 for a chance to win $54,000,000,000,000!!!' to time spent doing something useful gets considerable.

It is not the end of the world in any way, but it is annoying and I do not think my phone company deserves the money. So I would really appreciate it if something could at least be done to prevent the drawing of the top ad when the back button is used even when it should not be displayed, as I suspect that may be a major culprit... (please, Mark? Pretty please? )
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Tau Ceti (edited January 30, 2001).]</font>

	31-01-2001 05:42									#28
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Tau Ceti on 01-30-2001 07:19 PM</font>
but it is annoying and I do not think my phone company deserves the money.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>what about us? do you believe this is worth the money?

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>So I would really appreciate it if something could at least be done to prevent the drawing of the top ad when the back button is used even when it should not be displayed, as I suspect that may be a major culprit...
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>the only thing that could achieve what you want is if you change your web settings to not request the page again(e.g. load it from the cache). i dont think there is something that we can from our side

	31-01-2001 06:11									#29
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>there was a power failure in half of my city
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

I heard about it in the news. Nice weather huh? It hit us in Athens at about 22:00. Let's hope we won't have such problems down here.

Wow! Connection with America is really sllooowwww today!

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	31-01-2001 06:39									#30
	Put an end to popups!

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>i dont think there is something that we can from our side
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Are you sure? It did not do that before, and it still does not do it on the threads themselves, where there is still only one ad - that one is not drawn if it should not be shown. As it is also at the top (albeit centered instead of left-aligned), it seems strange that there should be a difference.

The lower ad does not show up, but before you made the latest changes, the 'Show topics from last X days' did... so apparently there is something in the code that affects it...