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Darsnan is offline Darsnan
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Dec 2001
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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
Camoflage doesn't work if you say "Hey, look here!"


I've noticed though that your pretty good at keeping your mouth shut and not tipping your hand. Besides, if I were CMN I'd do this for the "King". Regardless, I really like this format - wish I'd thought of it myself. I also wouldn't mind being the "Bear" in a future game, if theres enough interest for another one. It'd also be reall interesting to see who all lines up to take a piece of me! I could easily make a grocery list of players that'd probably want some sort of revenge on me, except for the fact that a majority of them have faded away into the mists of time.....

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What about Smacksim? He wants a piece of me.
HongHu's in for revenge, too.


I don't know anything about their personal affiliations with you. Can you name everyone that "wants a piece of you"? Or would it just be easier to make a list of those players that don't "want a piece of you"?


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I don't know anything about their personal affiliations with you. Can you name everyone that "wants a piece of you"? Or would it just be easier to make a list of those players that don't "want a piece of you"?

D


Heh he's been such a good sport about this that right now I don't really want a piece of him.

I get days where I do feel like attacking him in a PBEM though.

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I've noticed though that your pretty good at keeping your mouth shut

W T F?
Do you have like a... lack of seeing stuff or something?

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I don't know anything about their personal affiliations with you. Can you name everyone that "wants a piece of you"?

* Enigma_Nova brings up the rollcall to the ACDG
BinTravkin <--- main enemy!
Defending ChairmanSlick, who I treated like an idiot
ChairmanSlick
Treated him like an idiot
Chaunk
For no good reason
Colonyan
Intolerance of turn pace
Comrade Tassadar
ACPSG ongoing vendetta
DetriusXii
Intolerance of turn pace
Flubber
Claustrophobia 'cheating' affair
FrankyChan
Intolerance of turn pace
GeneralTacticus
ACPSG ongoing vendetta
Hercules
Intolerance of turn pace
Laurentius
Popularity conformism sheep-tactic stuff
Jamski
Popularity conformism sheep-tactic stuff
Maniac
ACPSG ongoing vendetta
Micha
Defending t_ras, who I treated like an idiot
Obstructor
For no good reason
Smacksim
For no good reason
Skanky Burns
Popularity conformism sheep-tactic stuff

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Or would it just be easier to make a list of those players that don't "want a piece of you"?

Yep.
The folk with a positive opinion:
Buster
Darsnan
Drogue
Enigma_Nova
Googlie
HongHu
Kody
MrWhereItsAt
Zeiter

w00t I have LESS THAN TWICE the number of enemies that I do friends!

Last edited by Enigma_Nova on 22-06-2004 at 07:42

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Heh nice to see the HongHu who was "in for revenge" was in the positive side with Enigma_Nova himself.

And I thought less than twice was grammorically wrong. Yeah yeah I have to have a misspelled word or two so that you don't feel too bad.

Ok better go do the pbems.

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Players are

Gaian - HongHu
Hive - Lord Raptor
Uni - Enigma (King of the Hill)
Morgan - Chaunk
Sparta - Hercules
Believers - Darsnan
PK - Smacksim

CMN - Kody xxxjohn@alphadimensions.netxxx

Please send me passwords you want to use, or I'll set a password for you. Please list email address that you each want to use too.

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Any password is fine as long as I can type it in my sleep.

Something like 12345 or qwert or something.

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Magi Enigma surveyed the huge plateau the landing ships had secured. He had offered paradise and enlightenment to many of the soldiers and they had wisely accepted. Unfortunately he had not managed to convince as many citizens, but those foolish enough to reject his offer would have difficulty surviving the harsh new world.

It was he that found the abandoned ruins of a once great civilisation, a civilisation so great that after their inexplicable disappearance their structures and machines were still around thousands of years later. This was the perfect place to build a new empire that would rise out of the ashes of the old and even eclipse the glory that lay before him.

"The logic is quite simple", Magi Enigma announced to his fellow professors that stood behind him. "In our search for truth we must be prepared to step on toes and weaker factions will fall to our dominance. Those that have abandoned our cause do not deserve our sympathy. It is they who chose to revert back to savages because of simple disagreements."

Magi Enigma turned to face the combined forces of the Nexus. He could see the pride and the confidence that filled those who followed him.

"I bring a new era", Magi Enigma shouted. "This world belongs to us!"

The men and women cheered loudly and Enigma was pleased.

"Magi", the military minister bowed his head slightly in respect. "Sensors indicate that other factions have placed landing parties to take this continent from us."

Magi Enigma frowned at this news. "They wouldn't dare", he muttered to himself. "Send out the army and the machines, let them see the might that we posses and they will think twice of crossing us."

~~~~~~~~

This is alpha team we have landed on the Nexus mainland, transmitting collected survey data, what are our orders.

Establish a base, but ensure radio silence, we don't know what kind of technology Enigma has discovered in the ruins. Assert the military potential of the enemy and take any opportunities that arise.

Roger that, this is alpha team out.

Darsnan leaned back in his chair. The report was very interesting there were numerous defensive structures in place, utilising technology that they wouldn't have for years, terrain made invasion difficult too. While it made Enigma very secure it also meant he was a leashed bear. Darsnan wondered how long it would take Enigma to chew through the rope, things would get deadly once he did.

Darsnan reviewed the landing data again. Enigma also had guerrilla forces on the main contient, he was certain of that. However these forces were small and as long as the others kept up a reasonable defence for all their bases, Enigma would not get a foothold on the main continent.

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One thing, Kody:

You've got the messianic complex down, but there's one conflict with my personality:
I don't think I am the truth,
I think I'm above the truth.

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* Enigma_Nova brings up the rollcall to the ACDG
<snip!>
Chaunk
For no good reason
</snip!>


I have a VERY good reason to want a piece of you in Life is only a game. You're clearly miles ahead of the rest of us! I have absolutely nothing against you personally, but to NOT attack you as soon as feasable would be madness in that game...

Kody, any password would be good thanks.

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Then that's not a problem with me personally, you just want my tech juice.
That type of competition I can accept. After all, I'd probably do the same thing in your position.
albeit 3 turns sooner than you could

BTW, I noticed Lal next to you from Det's comm sheet.
Go momentum him. I'm focused on other matters.
* Enigma_Nova starts building a Planet Buster

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Backstory:
I'm planning to have the 'Niggy in the middle game run on from the Heart of Fire game.

That means there will be a crapload of back stories, since I don't know who will win the HoF game.
In the meantime, I'll pull my RP up from the HoF thread 1 and write it on from there.

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Can you really name another player who can rally people against his cause like I can?
No, I don't think you can. My faction bonuses must be ++TURNSPEED, ++++TURNPLAY and ----DIPLO or something.


You should be nominated to be "The King Of The Hill Of Apolyton Of 2004.. err FOREVER!"

quote:
BinTravkin <--- main enemy!


Blah!
And I missed the signup!
What a shame!

Darsnan is offline Darsnan
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Dec 2001
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Passsword sent to Kody


quote:
Originally posted by Kody

Darsnan leaned back in his chair. The report was very interesting there were numerous defensive structures in place, utilising technology that they wouldn't have for years, terrain made invasion difficult too.


I hope that the "defensive structures" make sense from a strategic perspective. Perhaps like the "Gothic Line" that Kesselring employed in 1944 in northern Italy?


D

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Perhaps like the "Gothic Line" that Kesselring employed in 1944 in northern Italy?


Could you explain Darsnan?
Im very interested in WW2!

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at enigma's over-inflated view of how much people care about him

My personal view can be summed up as indifference.


to the concept of this game-- I really like the idea but who is in the middle is irrelevant really as long as they are sufficiently skilled

The only problem I see is that the level of boost a faction would need to even have a prayer against 6 co-operating enemies would be a killer if they instead fight each other. getting the balance right may be tough

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Could you explain Darsnan?
Im very interested in WW2!


Kesselring was the Nazi General in charge of German forces in Italy in 1944, and mounted a very skilled defense of the Italian "boot", first at Monte Cassino and then again on the "Gothic Line" as it was called. Essentially for the Gothic Line Kesselring put up his defensive positions just north of a river that crosses Italy in the north. There was a major highway that ran parallel to the river which Kesselring used to speed his reserves to what ever sector the Allies threatened. It cost the western Allies dearly to overcome both the Cassino and Gothic Line positions.

Here in SMAC(X) land if Kody were to "build" a river that could then facilitate transport of defenders to "hot" areas, this would serve as the highway did in the aforementioned example. Well placed bunkers with outlieing sensors then become natural redoubts for defense. In front of the bunker create flat "kill zones" where speeders get their attack bonus. The results would be similar to the tactics employed by Kesselring, I believe.
If you are into WW2, then a very good read is John Keagan's book on WW2. FYI.


D

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Ahh darsnan

I like the way you think-- In one of my last SP games I built defences along the lines you suggest on the AIs attack route. There was even a monolith a couple of tiles back from the line.

Some pre-terraforming can make an attack very very difficult prior to airpower

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The only problem I see is that the level of boost a faction would need to even have a prayer against 6 co-operating enemies would be a killer if they instead fight each other. getting the balance right may be tough


Yeah the balance is really tough to get. It also depends alot on the skill of the players, and whether they'll use all the tactics I would use. I've used a few tricks to ensure some kind of balance.

Maybe I'll just throw the scenerio out right now and hope for the best. Just to scare everyone... Enigma has gas units

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Yeah the balance is really tough to get. It also depends alot on the skill of the players, and whether they'll use all the tactics I would use. I've used a few tricks to ensure some kind of balance.

Maybe I'll just throw the scenerio out right now and hope for the best. Just to scare everyone... Enigma has gas units


It would be amusing if he made wholesale use of them and the atrocities led to the worms knocking the king off the hill ( or have you made it so that gassing not an atrocity??) ooh the possibilities

It would actually be funny to see the worms "win" a game -- I actually think that that is one of Darsnan's goals with some of the tweaks he has made to the natives at times

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Darn it too Enigma had too many bonuses. He shouldn't be getting IA in turn 2103, I think I need to rip out some of his monorails.

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Enigma is getting IA in turn 2103?

* Snowflake is prepared to quit the game.

We need to have commlink from the start then.

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Meh, with seven factions, IA by 2106 is doable... I know I just tested

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The question is then, what are we going to do with it? I mean at 2106 most factions may still be building colony pods for their third base. Not sure anybody would get spare industry power for building crawlers.

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The question is then, what are we going to do with it? I mean at 2106 most factions may still be building colony pods for their third base. Not sure anybody would get spare industry power for building crawlers.


No but Morgan could rush a crawler to crawl some more nuts to grow to size 2 that much quicker and then rush the pod. Even if your 3rd base was delayed a turn, I think you would be better in the long run as the 4th,5th and 6th come quicker

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Maybe I'll just throw the scenerio out right now and hope for the best.


I'm not opposed to this. Personally I really like the game format, as probably do other players who would volunteer to be the bear in future versions of this game. I think with a little experience and feedback that it could become quite an entertaining format, both for the bear as well as for the "normal" human players.
I plan on keeping a log of my game, primarily of observations, for the purpose of improving future versions of this format. If anyone else is interested in doing the same why afterwards we could compile our feedback and hopefully produce an very balanced format.


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Darn it too Enigma had too many bonuses. He shouldn't be getting IA in turn 2103, I think I need to rip out some of his monorails.




I would have thought something like a prebuilt CBA and Virtual World with say 4 nutrient satellites and maybe some interesting defensive land or specials with some terraforming already done would be a starting point.


hell Kody, what kind of bonuses are you giving?? +5 research ??

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Could you explain Darsnan?
Im very interested in WW2!


Here is a very good website describing the Gothic Line and the battles surrounding it.


D

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Turn tracking thread for this is here.
Lord Raptor and Darsnan I don't know the email address yet.

Smacksim, doesn't want to publish his email address so he will need to tell Darsnan privately.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...946#post3087946

Darsnan and Smacksim's have had their chosen passwords set.

I'm proceeding to send the rest of the passwords via PM.

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My email adress is lordraptor@k.ro.
Oh, by the way we're playing SMAC, right?

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Oh, by the way we're playing SMAC, right?


Kody didn't put it into the turn tracking thread, but I am almost 100% positive it is SMAC (based on turn order and all SMAC Factions).


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