22-06-2004 02:03									#1
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7 of 9 Colony Cities are building Colosseums. In an attempt to get the Senate to agree to fund some, I had to agree to Colosseums in most cities. Pork barrel politics is horrible. Now that gold is an issue, perhaps we should change some city-production.

We would lose some shields if we convert Colosseums to Settlers (a serious need in order to get more cities established). We could convert some Colosseum effort to Barracks so we have Vet Crusaders/Musketeers. We could also consider Harbors, Marketplaces, Granaries, etc.

	22-06-2004 05:01									#2
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I think we should switch them all to barracks, and build Vet Musketeers for decent defenses.

This way we can at least protect ourselves, should the worst happen.

Then we can concentrate on white goods.

	22-06-2004 10:48									#3
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I voted banana because I didn't favour doing something with exactly four cities.

I think we need barracks - whether we need 4 barracks and in which cities I leave for the cabinet to decide. I don't want to see us losing too many shields by switching to settlers, but if there are cities where the switch wouldn't cost us too much, so be it.

RJM at Sleeper's

	22-06-2004 18:32									#4
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Without looking at the save right now (will do that first chance I get on my Civ2 computer), I think I would like at least a few cities to build Collosea to aim to get towards celebrating, however from the war-thirsty looks in people's eyes down at the tavern it seems like some Barracks would be useful, and settlers are certainly needed whilst we have plenty of good land around.

I will vote properly when I get to my save.

	23-06-2004 16:21									#5
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Consider "4" to mean "about half". Sorry about seeming too specific.

	24-06-2004 10:33									#6
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Consider "4" to mean "about half". Sorry about seeming too specific.

OK, "about half" it is, though this citizen wouldn't mind if that turned out to be 2 or 3.

As BM has pointed out the colosseums will help our colonies grow, so if we have any that are nearly complete I'd be inclined to let them finish. And I think we need at least 1 more settler - either from a city with very few shields in the box or else from the first city to fiish a colosseum.

RJM at Sleeper's

	24-06-2004 12:22									#7
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Can we also consider designing cities for various functions (producing units, happiness, science cities?

	24-06-2004 16:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by rjmatsleepers OK, "about half" it is, though this citizen wouldn't mind if that turned out to be 2 or 3. As BM has pointed out the colosseums will help our colonies grow, so if we have any that are nearly complete I'd be inclined to let them finish. And I think we need at least 1 more settler - either from a city with very few shields in the box or else from the first city to fiish a colosseum. RJM at Sleeper's

Is that "2 or 3" Barracks or "2 or 3" Colosseums?

The concern with the Colosseums is that I started too many at once and overlooked getting additional Settlers started. Also, none of the Colosseums are particularly near completion. The Barracks idea is that they can be built faster and we want some anyway (then get some cities back to Settlers).

	25-06-2004 11:13									#9
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Is that "2 or 3" Barracks or "2 or 3" Colosseums?

Barracks, but who's counting

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	25-06-2004 12:01									#10
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In none of these cities is a colosseum justified right now. The cities are all too small, more cities (at least the three projected for the river complex) are desirable, and many more should be carrying a settler (engineer, even better). All the additional settler/engineer building further puts off the need for colosseums.

There are no great solutions that I can see, I am sorry to have to say. With cash so dear, even building a bunch of barracks is unthinkable. Looking over the save I sent that showed the development plan, the four northern most cities appear to have the greatest longterm potential in terms of bothe shields and food surplus. So, those are the cities I would look at first for colosseums and of those, Malaca would be my choice. A Temple is needed NOW in one city and in another in about three turns. That's three white goods builds which is about all there is cash for, assuming the Beads van brings in a good profit. The rest I would change to settlers.

That's my take. It's not pretty. But you did ask for input.

Monk

	26-06-2004 10:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk A Temple is needed NOW in one city and in another in about three turns. That's three white goods builds which is about all there is cash for, assuming the Beads van brings in a good profit. The rest I would change to settlers. That's my take. It's not pretty. But you did ask for input. Monk

Definitely switch to temple in any city without one - I'm surprised we've managed to get this far with cities lacking one. And I agree with Monk about the size of our cities. They won't need a colosseum for ages so any sensible switch will be worthwhile. It may even be worth building a granary which I normally wouldn't consider.

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	26-06-2004 11:55									#12
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Rusucurru is about to build a 2nd citizen without a Temple, and will get that Temple. It will bring our gold to 2 gold for a turn, but we have little choice. Gades will need one soon, but I expect to have Caravan gold to use for that.