22-06-2004 08:58									#1
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Or us, for that matter... I had an idea about us pulling our force out of Ruhrpott once GWT has their Ansars up there and then sending it down to GCA lands to wreak havoc there...

But we discussed the idae of having CFC land their Riders in GCA lands once we can be reasonably sure that GWT has moved their Ansars further north and CFC won't have to tangle with them.

If CFC lands with ~12 Riders, they can probably raze quite a few GCA cities, assumng GCA doesn't have an enormous military in the area and too astounding "luck".

That would help to set back GWT/GCA's plans for making GCA into a powerhouse by the time we want to make our next invasion. Down the road, it could make a lot more difference than CFC committing suicide trying to get at Flamburg.

Here's the chatlog of us discussing the idea(s):

quote: Arnelos> btw... I have an idea Arnelos> Have we thought of the idea of a landing in GCA lands to raze their new cities while GWT's entire Ansar force has already headed north to confront us? mrmitchell> arnelos, et brought it up the other day mrmitchell> although he was thinking more of where Washington and Micco [were] Arnelos> or, better yet... take the force that landed near Ruhrpott... put it back on boats... head out to ocean... go south, land in old CGN lands and raze GCA cities mrmitchell> gcalands are good too, but we put ourselves perilously close to ansars * Kloreep|away is now known as Kloreep Trip> could always use CFC to stir up trouble for GCA Arnelos> mrmitchell - the whole idea is that GWT's Ansars will have already headed north to confront us... we pull out and switch targets Trip> instead of going and getting themselves killed E_T> there is that rubble pile, north of Washington, that we could set down a 2 knights and reign slight havoc Arnelos> in other words... we continue to use the window of us having Navigation and them not FOR ALL THAT IT IS WORTH mrmitchell> Trip: either way they'll slow down the ANSWARSS1!111111Z!!!!1 mrmitchell> right? Trip> well, if CFC goes and razes all of the cities in that area then that'll hurt GCA's economic development quite a bit Arnelos> the problem is timing * E_T is now known as E_T_FAM4 Arnelos> because GWT's slow movers will be trying to get north slower than their Ansars mrmitchell> isn't CFC landing on GCA better timing for us? Kloreep> [22:30] Arnelos> or, better yet... take the force that landed near Ruhrpott... put it back on boats... head out to ocean... go south, land in old CGN lands and raze GCA cities Kloreep> I like it E_T_FAM4> well, with CGN still having units on boats, that might give them pause Kloreep> Especially if we could time it with Parth Arnelos> then again... CFC's riders are *ideally suited* for a razing campaign... especially since GCA cultural borders will only extend 1 tile around their new cities... they're be ripe for razing by CFC Kloreep> But GCA will have units Kloreep> Their cites won't be defenseless mrmitchell> kloreep: but many? Kloreep> Mrmitchell: It only takes a few pikes in each city to slow the Riders down Arnelos> that is something we do not know E_T_FAM4> damn, civ just crashed on my E_T_FAM4> *me * E_T_FAM4 is rebooting now Trip> CFC will have, what, 12 Riders? Trip> that ought to be enough to cause GCA some havoc mrmitchell> havoc, yes. utter annihlation, unfortunately, probably not * E_T_FAM4 has quit IRC (Quit: rebooting, back soon) mrmitchell> but hey, who carees? we're pissing off gca. it's a win-win situation Kloreep> Utter annhilation will be next to impossible Kloreep> GWT can just keep gifting CGN cities Trip> but we would still slow GCA down quite a bit Trip> GCA WILL become fairly powerful eventually mrmitchell> and make GWT have to give away more cities Trip> and by the time our second invasion comes they'll be a significant threat to deal with Trip> if CFC can torch most of GCA then that will help out quite a bit Trip> actually a useful purpose for CFC in this mrmitchell> Trip ;b: Kloreep> Yep, I agree with Trip Trip> and since GWT will have bigger things to deal with they probably won't divert much if anything to help GCA out Kloreep> Razing GCA cities will force them to focus on settlers Trip> and depending on where CFC lands, they could probably take out quite a few GCA units on just the first turn Kloreep> And GWT won't be able to send many settlers to help depending on what we do with the Ruhrpott area Trip> anyone want to post about this in the forum? Trip> new thread perhaps Kloreep> I see two issues Kloreep> One is where CFC lands mrmitchell> gwt will be able to cover for gca, but they will be stretched as thin as **** Kloreep> The other is if we send the Ruhrpott fleet somewhere else after the attack Arnelos> Trip - I'll post a chatlog if you want Trip> okay, thanks Arne Arnelos> will do Kloreep> Arnelos:

So we have two issues:

1. Where CFC lands and what their mission is.

2. Once we pull our troops out of the Ruhrpott area (since GWT's Ansars will have moved up there), do we send them south to go raze GCA cities as well or send them back home?

Understandably, #2 is a decision that would be better to make AT THE TIME, but we can at least speculate now.

Thoughts?

	22-06-2004 09:03									#2
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Beautiful

However, my vote is that we tell CFC this idea and let them decide for themselves.

For that matter, CFC should be the one deciding what target they want to hit and how many units they'll send. We just need to coordinate so that the timing of our strikes helps each other.

--Togas

	22-06-2004 09:03									#3
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Send CFC after GCA. That's the only chance they have at doing any real damage without getting slaughtered.

	22-06-2004 12:07									#4
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I like it. If only because it will make Lucky's life that much more like hell.

	22-06-2004 19:53									#5
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likey

	22-06-2004 20:20									#6
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Marvelous plan

	22-06-2004 21:12									#7
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I'm all for it... screw you Lucky

	22-06-2004 22:26									#8
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seems better than sacrificing those riders in vain.
Go for it

As for our knights, let's see how many of them will survive, and then maybe help the CFC Riders to finish the job.

	22-06-2004 22:26									#9
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On taking our forces back to the boats and down to GCA: I'm all for it if we have enough left.

On CFC attacking GCA rather than Flammburg: Sounds good, but as Togas says, we should just present it as the idea we support and leave the decision to them. We shouldn't push them around.

	22-06-2004 23:11									#10
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CFC: sure, suggest it and see if they like it.

Ruhrpott Force Second Strike: um, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Let's see how things go with the initial strike. No plan survives contact with the enemy and all that.

-Arrian

	23-06-2004 03:32									#11
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There is no hope, however, to actually destroy all of GCA, until GWT is destroyed as well.

	23-06-2004 03:39									#12
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Even the opposition is in favour

I support this whole idea of CFC slaughtering GCA and doing that with our own troops too.

Aidun

	23-06-2004 04:03									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun Even the opposition is in favour I support this whole idea of CFC slaughtering GCA and doing that with our own troops too. Aidun

It is?