23-06-2004 23:15									#31
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Apparantly xbox still isnt making MS money. So i guess they needed a radical rethink on what to do with xbox2?

Still i can forgive the lack of harddrive(as a design descision) but no backward compatibility is just pants( bad ). This will also have a bearing on the origonal xbox, companies wont be so keen to support the format, and i predict with the announced plans for xbox2, poor sales in the console market vs Sony/Nintendo. So MS will loose what inroads it has already made.

We will all look back at the xbox experience with a whimsical smile, a bit like i do when i think of the Dragon32/Oric/AtariXE/AmigaCD32/Atari Lynx etc. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot MS

	24-06-2004 01:06									#32
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Actually, yes, it does. See, in order to, with certainty, say that you would have to be able to either read the persons mind or know enough of the persons history in order to make a proper determination. I'm *assuming* that you can't fulfill either requirement

Your second paragraph is entirely right, your first, well..........

I guess I'll just never understand people who consider backwards compatability a major factor when purchasing a new console. It's like buying a new car and worrying that the in-car CD player won't play your old tapes.

	24-06-2004 02:44									#33
	Increase Your PM Length

backward compatibility isnt a big deal.

I didnt have my own ps1 ever, so when i got ps2 it was actually a bigger deal than most ppl who owned ps1 anyway..... but even for my case... i could have gone and bought cheap used ps1 that was popping around everywhere to get next gen sys.....

thats how i got DC cheap. I just waited until it was obsolete. Having the ability to play old console sys isnt that big of a deal cause you can buy em cheap. And think.... btw time next gen console sys comes out with backward compatibility means automatically that its time around last gen sys will be cheap anyway.

I still play alot of ps1 games btw. And I use ps2 games to run it. I like the feature alot, but if there wasnt a feature itd just be annoying for me to purchase an old ps1 sys and having to rewire the cables to the tv and all that tedious ****.

	24-06-2004 02:53									#34
	Put an end to popups!

I'm not sure how it works, but presumably MS have a initial price that they'd like to be able to produce the XBox2 for, if theyre stuggling to make that price and they've got to trim features, backwards compatabilty would be the first I'd let go, rather than less memory, slower graphics card or whatever, things that affect the qualilty of games that can be brought out for the machine for it's entire future.

	24-06-2004 03:05									#35
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I'm suprised that it would be a problem to do the feature, as presumably they are using a DVD base, right? IIRC, they were going to use the next-gen HD-DVD or something. Or is the problem keeping the hardware componets compatible? Maybe switching the processor throws it off? Anyway, I'm suprised that they don't have a solution other than dropping it.

	24-06-2004 03:10									#36
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: It's like buying a new car and worrying that the in-car CD player won't play your old tapes.

A more apt analogy would be buying a new car and worrying that the in-car CD player won't play your old CDs.

	24-06-2004 06:05									#37
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: It's like buying a new car and worrying that the in-car CD player won't play your old tapes. A more apt analogy would be buying a new car and worrying that the in-car CD player won't play your old CDs.

Even more apter would be buying a DVD system to go in the back of the car and worrying it would n't play your CD's

	24-06-2004 06:08									#38
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar And remember: Thats not the primary purpose of a car (to play music). The primary purpose of a *gaming console* is to :idea; play games

But you've (presumably) already got one that plays your old games? Why have you bought a new one to play them as well?

Anyway I give up (and I would have given up sooner, but for the +1's), I just can't see the point of compromsing the specs of a new console so it can play old games.

	24-06-2004 06:27									#39
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Not really, as CD's are not the same as DVD's.

	24-06-2004 06:45									#40
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

For those of you who are too lazy to read the whole text on the other Xbox 2 thread, here is what the Microsoft guy has to say (presumably) about backwards compatibility:

quote: People often ask if Xenon can be backward compatible with Xbox. Although the architecture of the two consoles is quite different, Xenon has the processing power to emulate Xbox. Whether Xenon will be backward compatible involves a variety of factors, not the least of which is the massive development and testing effort required to allow Xbox games run on Xenon.

	24-06-2004 06:56									#41
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Xenon?

	24-06-2004 07:06									#42
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Not really, as CD's are not the same as DVD's.

And PSOne games are not the same as PS2 games, one machine can play both, the other machine can only play one.

I think it' fits rather well!

	24-06-2004 07:08									#43
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by nostromo For those of you who are too lazy to read the whole text on the other Xbox 2 thread, here is what the Microsoft guy has to say (presumably) about backwards compatibility:

err.....you mean, like all of us?

	24-06-2004 09:30									#44
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: would be buying a DVD system to go in the back of the car and worrying it would n't play your CD's

Even though as pointed out DVDs and CDs are totally different mediums, EVERY DVD player on the market today can play CDs. Thanks for making my point .

	24-06-2004 09:33									#45
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever And PSOne games are not the same as PS2 games, one machine can play both, the other machine can only play one. I think it' fits rather well!

It doesn't. For PSX, you play games. For PS2, you play games. For DVD's, you play movies, for CD's, you play audio.

	24-06-2004 09:44									#46
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: would be buying a DVD system to go in the back of the car and worrying it would n't play your CD's Even though as pointed out DVDs and CDs are totally different mediums, EVERY DVD player on the market today can play CDs. Thanks for making my point .

But if a supa dupa new DVD player came out, would it bother you if it didn't play CD's? Nope, me either! Thanks for making my......

	24-06-2004 09:47									#47
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master For DVD's, you play movies, for CD's, you play audio.

Aha!!!! DVD's also play audio only and the CD player in my computer plays movies!!!!

Consider my logic trap sprung! The more you wriggle, the more it will hurt!

	24-06-2004 09:48									#48
	Increase the size of your Attachments

No, because DVD's and CD's are totally different.

	24-06-2004 10:02									#49
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I must have a magical DVD player then, it plays both!

I told you not to wriggle!! ;O)

	24-06-2004 12:22									#50
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever But if a supa dupa new DVD player came out, would it bother you if it didn't play CD's?

I would, because I have thousands of CD's. Okay, maybe just a couple of thousands, but I wouldn't put a new DVD player in my car (if I were to buy a car, that is) if it couldn't play my CD collection. What good is it?

	24-06-2004 15:22									#51
	Remove this text

People today expect consoles to be backwards compatible? In my day..................

	24-06-2004 18:00									#52
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: But if a supa dupa new DVD player came out, would it bother you if it didn't play CD's?

Yes... because it would be a waste of space in my car. Sure the person in the passenger seat or in the back or whatever could watch great DVDs, but I couldn't listen to music anymore. Since that was a feature previously, it'd bother me that it wasn't included again.

	24-06-2004 18:24									#53
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Right then Gentlemen, the argument has gone around in a circle (at least once) and no one has changed their mind, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

	24-06-2004 21:48									#54
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Xenon?

It's the code name for the Xbox 2.

	24-06-2004 21:50									#55
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever err.....you mean, like all of us?

Of course!

	25-06-2004 02:16									#56
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Any gaming luddites should just use emulators.......;O)

Which run on PC's, right? Another plug for the PC

	25-06-2004 02:45									#57
	Got spare money?

a modded xbox can run emus too... it might even be possible with others(ps2, gcb) but probably not worth the effort.

	25-06-2004 03:07									#58
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by pg a modded xbox can run emus too... it might even be possible with others(ps2, gcb) but probably not worth the effort.

nah, have you SEEN PS2 games?

	25-06-2004 11:46									#59
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

Never even owned a PSone...

	25-06-2004 15:37									#60
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I also doubt the feature is used widely. I think the arguments have been clouded, rather than illuminated, by the silly cd/dvd fights. Since when has backwards compatibility been expected in the sphere of consoles? I owned several when I was younger and none of those were. What is more, they didn't need to be. Mostly you want to play the presumably more advanced games on your new toy. If you want to play older games, well, you still have the older console right?