22-06-2004 18:01									#1
	XBox2: Not backwards compatible Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

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quote: According to a recent article on GameIndustry.biz, Microsoft sources in the know have confirmed that Xbox 2 (whatever it's to be named) will not be backwards compatible. If true, this would mean that Xbox games could not be played on Xbox 2.

First no hard drive and then no backwards compatibility. Is Microsoft TRYING to lose this war?

	22-06-2004 18:47									#2
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Is the X-box2 really the X-box1/2?

	22-06-2004 19:15									#3
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Well I must admit I don't know much about the next generation consoles but to be fair Gates must know what he's doing.

All we know so far is there is no hard drive and xbox2 will not be backwards compatible but there has to be a reason not yet disclosed. Otherwise this is suicide, because I'm sure Sony (the one and ONLY) will have backwards compatibility with their PS3.

	22-06-2004 20:36									#4
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No hard drive? Didn't they have a hard drive in the first Xbox?

	22-06-2004 21:17									#5
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Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

If backwards compatabilty either compromises XBox 2 performance or (more likely) pushes up the price point, it'll be no loss.

Gates does n't want to have to bring out the XBox 2 at an extra $50 dollars and give Sony an advantage just so 1% of his customers can play 'Halo" or whatever

	22-06-2004 22:26									#6
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I don't care. Man, security is lax at Microsoft. Unless of course they're leaking false or inaccurate info to screw with Sony.

	22-06-2004 23:31									#7
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All I can say is when a vendor takes away a feature that was offered before, i.e. harddrive / it's competitors backward capability, they are cheating the savy consumer. Xbox2 hasn't even come out yet and already it is inferior. So what if better graphics and speed are gained. Is the average consumer willing to sacrifice storage capacity?

Besides, Gates will probably charge extra for storage capability. It's all about extracting maximum coinage from the idiots.

	23-06-2004 03:32									#8
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

	23-06-2004 03:44									#9
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

	23-06-2004 03:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

	23-06-2004 05:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who cares? how many PS2 owners play PSone games on their consoles?

	23-06-2004 05:21									#12
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It was actually one of the things that made me get a PS2, my old PS1 was getting cranky and I had to place it in most imaginitive positions for it to read the discs properly.

I couldn't leave my RPG collection gathering dust just because I didn't have anything to play them with, plus it wasn't that much more expensive than a new PSOne when I got the PS2. Besides, it was the first DVD player in the house.

Oh and sorry for breaking the pattern

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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia It was actually one of the things that made me get a PS2, my old PS1 was getting cranky and I had to place it in most imaginitive positions for it to read the discs properly. I couldn't leave my RPG collection gathering dust just because I didn't have anything to play them with, plus it wasn't that much more expensive than a new PSOne when I got the PS2. Besides, it was the first DVD player in the house. Oh and sorry for breaking the pattern

	23-06-2004 05:58									#14
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To all the idjuts, what console from that time is worth playing over the games availiable today?

BTW if anyone says Final Fantasy, you will only bemuse me even further than you already have!

Also the Xbox1 was a pretty good machine, what was that backwards compatible with? I sold my PSone and games to get one because the games were old, I was fed up with them and, most crucially, I WANTED TO PLAY NEW GAMES!!!! Geddit?

	23-06-2004 06:23									#15
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What is an idjut?

	23-06-2004 06:28									#16
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Seriously? it is idiot with a bad accent.

	23-06-2004 06:30									#17
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I knew. I just thought he was getting a tad carried away

	23-06-2004 07:40									#18
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Of course

	23-06-2004 09:22									#19
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I wasn't saying nobody *EVER* wants to play old games, it's just no biggie that you can't when it comes to console games, backwards compatabilty on a console is something that people think they'll use a lot, but when it boils down to it, it's the newer flashier games that get played.

MS have obviously done their research and come to the conclusion that however much the feature puts on the price of a console (and the number of buyers deterred by the extra cost) would not be offset by the number of extra people buying the machine because of the feature.

Any gaming luddites should just use emulators.......;O)

	23-06-2004 09:25									#20
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Pretty hard survey to test

	23-06-2004 11:35									#21
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Remember that it's all speculation. Afaik, Microsoft hasn't confirmed that the Xbox 2 will not have a HD, nor that it will not be backwards compatible. Nothing official yet.

	23-06-2004 12:31									#22
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever To all the idjuts, what console from that time is worth playing over the games availiable today?

Just because games are newer doesn't mean they are better. The only thing you got better than even odds is eye candy.

A lot of people are still playing old games, including old PC games and ones run on emulators.

	23-06-2004 13:44									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster edit......... Besides, Gates will probably charge extra for storage capability. It's all about extracting maximum coinage from the idiots.

hmm well from the info we've seen here and by extrapolating(sp?) with what we know about MS and its vision for the future, i think this may not be far from the truth.

Xbox has had a go at 'online' console connection and we all know MS has a slightly sinister slant towards capturing its customers in an on going outlay of cash(wether for the newest OS or for its vision of the future where people wont own software like MS office, but will pay a subscription to use it from their servers).

So maybe this next xbox will be aimed towards that catagory, with a monthly payment for some kind of online service to hook upto a MS server to use it? This is all just guess work on my part, but as soon as i heard the xbox2 would not have a harddrive, i was wondering what direction MS wanted to take.
I'll be keeping my Xbox1 for just that reason

	23-06-2004 18:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Just because games are newer doesn't mean they are better. The only thing you got better than even odds is eye candy. A lot of people are still playing old games, including old PC games and ones run on emulators.

I'd agree with that for PC games as they generally have more depth, but generally whatever game you like on your old console there will be a better looking, better produced, better featured game of the same type out on the new console.

If there is then buy it, if there isn't save yourself the money, don't buy the new consle and just play it on your Intellivision or whatever

	23-06-2004 19:29									#25
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever I'd agree with that for PC games as they generally have more depth, but generally whatever game you like on your old console there will be a better looking, better produced, better featured game of the same type out on the new console.

ah but you left out better story and better gameplay! which is 90% of a game's value to me. If all you want in a console are fighting games, sports games, and fps, then you're probably happy with new consoles, great for you. I look for a good story a fun game and yes I play final fantasy games on my ps2.

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever If there is then buy it, if there isn't save yourself the money, don't buy the new consle and just play it on your Intellivision or whatever

I think my mom sold my intellivision at a garage sale

	23-06-2004 19:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel and yes I play final fantasy games on my ps2.

yep, I watch flims on my XBox too!


My PC is for strat games, my Xbox is for FPS's, I play *proper* RPG's on either.

Fighting games, racing games etc are for the kids.

	23-06-2004 19:57									#27
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Yeah, I only play the older finfans on the ps, as the new ones are just crap movies.

for cheapskates like me, backwards compatibility is a huge plus. It means I don't have to buy a console immediately or ever. I skiped the ps1 (no time, no money) and now I can play all those games still

	23-06-2004 20:03									#28
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I played FF7, loved it at the start, but after I played around 75% I just could n't muster up the enthusiasm, it got to be more of a chore than a game.

I like the open endedness of RPG's like Morrowind

	23-06-2004 21:34									#29
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I undertand that, It'll sell if people *think* they want it.

It doesn't mean I can't point out to some of the people in this thread who *think* they want it, that they probably won't use it?

	23-06-2004 23:03									#30
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quote: All we know so far is there is no hard drive and xbox2 will not be backwards compatible but there has to be a reason not yet disclosed. Otherwise this is suicide, because I'm sure Sony (the one and ONLY) will have backwards compatibility with their PS3.

I agree. It's silly... especially because PS3 can say this is what WE have and XBox2 doesn't, especially if they decide to go ahead and put a hard drive in.

To disparage backwards compatibility is silly. There are many games which can be played from the previous console which, at the time, was too expensive, but now is $10-$20 and just right. It also is one of the reasons why PS2 exploded in sales right off the bat.