27-06-2004 14:52									#1
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quote: Hydro: Vel gives us the basics in his strat guide: Arid or flat: forest Moist rolling or wet rolling: farm and solar Rocky in base resource area: borehole Rocky outside of base area: mine Sensor in base hex, if this doesn't delay base construction All bases connect by roads Roads constructed BEFORE sending out pods, is possible Condensor where moist to get wet Rocky in base that is flat:

quote: HongHu: Ok here's a few of my preference Sensor every base before it is built road and gang terraform using multiple formers farm+condensor in rainy squares and nut bonus squares, two of these per base in mid game, and cluster them together since condensor will make moist squares rainy Mine+road rocky squres forest river squares If have WP, borehole the mineral/energy squares before restriction lifting I almost never do farm+solar.

quote: Net Warrior: I agree almost completely with HongHu. My only quibble is with sensoring every base. If we can sensor them, fine, but don't delay a build just for that. We should plan well in advance so that we can have a sensor for every base but sometimes things happen.

quote: obstructor: Ah, but one of advantages of Gaians is fast spreading and growth. We should make expansion a priority, and if we can build a sensor before base, good, but if not, turn advantage is more important

quote: HongHu: I agree totally. Building a sensor should not delay our expansion. Especially the first four or five bases may not need sensors. We won't have enough formers for the job, they likely don't need sensors also since they will likely not be in the outside of our territory. After we set up these bases and considers further expansion, we should always keep in mind to prepare the future base sit as much as possible.

	18-10-2004 16:42									#2
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quote: Ah, but one of advantages of Gaians is fast spreading and growth. We should make expansion a priority, and if we can build a sensor before base, good, but if not, turn advantage is more important

Might I just ask - why is this? Also surely farm + solar is useful before you get to Tree Farms to enable you to have +2 nut tiles in the early going. Without these you don't grow.

	18-10-2004 18:35									#3
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We have tons of 2-nutrient tiles around our starting location. Farms aren't useful until Gene Splicing (or with condensors).

	18-10-2004 20:38									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory We have tons of 2-nutrient tiles around our starting location. Farms aren't useful until Gene Splicing (or with condensors).

I quite agree, from the small glimpse of the map I have seen so far. But I mean in general. Surely farms + solars would be useful if we didn't have so many rainy tiles....?

	18-10-2004 21:36									#5
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Monoliths can also be good sources of 2 nutrients, and a single nutrient special will provide a city with enough food to last until condensor-farms. We've been guiding our expansion towards rainy tiles rather than making our own 2-nut tiles with farms. If the whole area around our start were sub-rainy, we'd probably have a few farms.

	19-10-2004 14:07									#6
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We have WP, so let's use both condensers and boreholes in the name of Planet!

I tend to think that condensers,although they make some eco damage, should be listed as planet friendly constructs because of their ability to aid both wildlife and human grown crops..
Fungus doesn't get any bonuses though..

	19-10-2004 17:31									#7
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Fungus can grow as result of ecodamage so we are sort of helping fungus to expand (although we should be smart to watch on ecodamage)

	19-10-2004 17:33									#8
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quote: Fungus can grow as result of ecodamage so we are sort of helping fungus to expand

YES! Let's define it so!
And if someone asks why, we say that we're just aiding planet's growth!

	21-10-2004 02:34									#9
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This is the way I look at it. The Gaians are the champions of Planet. We will do the right thing for Planet, unlike the other factions. If we lose to the other factions, their reckless treatment of Planet will continue. OTOH, once the Gaians win, and the others are subdued, we can smash up the condensers, fill up the boreholes, and plant fungus across the whole planet.

So if we have to defend Planet by drilling boreholes now to compete, then so be it. It is a temporary measure, a means to an end. War is hell, and the rulebook goes out the door.

So build a condenser, and drill a borehole for Planet's sake.

	21-10-2004 14:39									#10
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quote: o build a condenser, and drill a borehole for Planet's sake.

That's it!
Just do it!

	21-10-2004 20:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by livid imp This is the way I look at it. The Gaians are the champions of Planet. We will do the right thing for Planet, unlike the other factions. If we lose to the other factions, their reckless treatment of Planet will continue. OTOH, once the Gaians win, and the others are subdued, we can smash up the condensers, fill up the boreholes, and plant fungus across the whole planet.

Uh, this sounds like Planet Cult (when we win, we will tear down the boreholes and mines). But we do need to use every advantage we have.

	21-10-2004 21:06									#12
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Try Cult of Gaia!

The "good guys" dont have to be "nice guys".

	22-10-2004 13:59									#13
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quote: The "good guys" dont have to be "nice guys".

Exactly!

	26-10-2004 13:47									#14
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So it si decided that we use both condensers and boreholes for our good!
(and when all the polluters, read "other factions", are eliminated, we go real green! )

	28-10-2004 23:07									#15
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My general guideline for the Gaians is that if it causes eco damage, it is bad. So, mines and boreholes are OK, but only to a point.

Otherwise the Gaians are saying: It's OK, honey. I'll only rape you a little bit.

Hydro

	28-10-2004 23:27									#16
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We should be at least a little flexible with this in regards to the strange ecodamage equations. Our tree farms etc will only help the planet if we first see that it responds unfavorably to minerals/boreholes/whatever.

	31-10-2004 12:30									#17
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Tree farms can help a base in the future, BEFORE it collects eco damage.

I'm thinking about any policy for land raising....we could raise interesting land bridges there....we probably need to get a climatologist how not to affect our own rainfall levels negatively, or with any diplomatic consequences.

	31-10-2004 21:53									#18
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Tree farms do help some before the first pop, but have much more of an effect after the first pop.

Land bridges don't tend to affect rainfall levels too much, as they aren't high peaks. Furthermore, if we have a bunch of condensors around, all our terrain will be rainy otherwise. Diplomatic consequences are another matter, but it'll be hard to pin too much on us.