28-06-2004 10:47									#1
	GoW - GS GAUL Chat Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

GAUL = Grand Alliance to Undermine Lego

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quote: Session Start: Tue Jun 22 15:51:19 2004 Session Ident: #GoW-GS [15:51] * Now talking in #GoW-GS [15:51] * Topic is 'type my nick when you get here to notify me. I'm playing the save' [15:51] * Set by DeepO on Tue Jun 22 15:48:46 [15:51] [MasterZen] hello DeepO [15:51] [DeepO] hi [15:51] [DeepO] good to meet you in chat [15:52] [DeepO] Krill also coming? [15:52] [MasterZen] I'm telling him how to connect [15:52] [DeepO] ah, ok [15:52] [MasterZen] so, how are things in Stormia? [15:53] [DeepO] btw, sorry about being such a trouble, but for some reason, ploy won't let me connect [15:53] [DeepO] Stormia: pollution is a pain [15:53] [MasterZen] ah, no problem, some people occasionally have difficulty, don't know why [15:53] [DeepO] I always have diffuclties [15:53] * Krill has joined #GoW-GS [15:53] [DeepO] and only with that server... all the rest is fine [15:53] [DeepO] hi Krill [15:53] [Krill] Krill is here [15:53] [Krill] HI [15:54] [DeepO] okay, so let's chat about our war [15:54] [Krill] I hope you have all had a good day [15:54] [DeepO] more or less, major hangover [15:54] [MasterZen] well, Italy got eliminated, so that's good [15:54] [DeepO] MZ, does GoW agree to our tech plans? [15:54] [DeepO] and to the price mentioned for the three techs? [15:55] [MasterZen] IIRC the price was 4500... lemme check [15:55] [DeepO] also, is it possible to meet the deadline of turn 245 at the latest for invading Lego? [15:55] [DeepO] yeah, it was 4k5 [15:55] [Krill] we also require a saltpeter source for the next 40 turns [15:55] [DeepO] not sure yet, Krill [15:55] [Krill] well, maybe [15:55] [MasterZen] saltpeter? for? [15:55] [DeepO] let's wait for more people to comment [15:56] [DeepO] we still have some knights laying around [15:56] [DeepO] so we might upgrade them to cavs [15:56] [DeepO] but only as pillagers.... [15:56] [Krill] in addition to conquistadors [15:56] [DeepO] well, yeah [15:56] [DeepO] we have to get RP into this [15:56] [MasterZen] RP going to be fully into this? [15:56] [DeepO] don't know yet [15:57] [DeepO] but these guys have nothing to do [15:57] [DeepO] so giving them a war would be nice [15:57] [Krill] not fully, They may even stay out of it. [15:57] [Krill] WE remain optimistic [15:57] [DeepO] if they enter, it would only be for their conqs [15:57] [DeepO] great pillagers... [15:57] [DeepO] better then bombers [15:58] [DeepO] so, MZ, allow me to ask again [15:58] [DeepO] can you meet turn 240? [15:58] [MasterZen] 240 or 245? [15:58] [DeepO] well, 245 at the utmost latest [15:58] [DeepO] 240 preferred [15:58] [MasterZen] this is turn 220 right? [15:58] [DeepO] we figure that Lego is going to get tanks around 245... [15:58] [MasterZen] err 215? [15:59] [DeepO] no, this is 216 [15:59] [DeepO] I mean, the one that is open here [15:59] [MasterZen] ah yes, you get to start the turn [15:59] [DeepO] last one was 215 [15:59] [DeepO] which is a disadvantage, as Lego is last [15:59] [DeepO] meaning Vox can spy for them, and RP can't do anything useful for us... [16:00] [DeepO] also, do you agree to our plan of simultanously attacking both sides of Lego, to get the least defense we can get? [16:00] [MasterZen] not entirely not useful, just not as good [16:00] [DeepO] well, yes. Vox is perfect for Lego [16:00] [MasterZen] I was talking to Krill about that, we were thinking about 1) decoys 2) threaning multiple objectives [16:01] [DeepO] 1) decoys are most certainly going to be included [16:01] [DeepO] in some form or another [16:01] [Krill] GOW want to head for jackson [16:01] [DeepO] either with empty trannies, or with full [16:01] [MasterZen] BUT, jackson will likely be defended like mad [16:01] [DeepO] Jackson seems ok [16:01] [MasterZen] we also don't want to land TOO far from jackson [16:02] [DeepO] do you intend to invade a city, or land a hevily defended hill or so? [16:02] [Krill] Crossing looks an easier choice, but then it becomes a one fron war [16:02] [DeepO] one sec, checking some maps [16:02] [MasterZen] I'd much rather invade a city, however, that will mean building 40 marines... that's a possible opportunity cost of building other, more usefull units [16:03] [MasterZen] i.e. artillery, tanks, infantry... those marines will be worth squat after the invasion [16:03] [DeepO] true [16:03] [MasterZen] I'm still mixed about the idea [16:03] [DeepO] but that is also why it might succeed best [16:03] [Krill] so will all the inf if they get slaughtered [16:03] [Krill] useless, that is [16:04] [DeepO] in case you land some 30 infs, those will be beaten relentlessly, and losses would probably be just as high [16:04] [MasterZen] the inf will not get slaughtered without making Lego bleed [16:04] [Krill] Art? [16:04] [DeepO] also true [16:04] [MasterZen] of course, infs in a city, are much better [16:04] [DeepO] I don't think we would mind if you do it the other way [16:05] [Krill] redlined inf, even on a hill city, will be slaughtered [16:05] [DeepO] as long as we simultaneously declare war [16:05] [Krill] just a suggestion [16:05] [DeepO] and invade on the exact same turn [16:05] [MasterZen] any of you actually thought about Lego's force mix? [16:05] [DeepO] not really [16:05] [DeepO] but we fear marines soon... [16:05] [DeepO] they can have them in 10 turns from now [16:06] [DeepO] with chaining, it would mean the end of our uninvadeable island [16:06] [Krill] mostly cav, inf and art. defending. [16:06] [MasterZen] I think they have a TON of infantry [16:06] [DeepO] realistic guess: 100 or so? [16:07] [DeepO] that is a lot... [16:07] [Krill] more like 150 [16:07] [DeepO] which is why we need to threaten at least 6 or 7 cities [16:07] [MasterZen] nah, 150 is TOO much [16:07] [DeepO] 150 is a lot, Krill [16:07] [Krill] I know, but worst case scenario [16:07] [DeepO] also, I don't think they are building loads of units right now [16:07] [DeepO] unless they are planning to invade someone [16:08] [MasterZen] look, the decoy fleet should threaten 2 objectives, the real forces should threaten another 2, that's 8 targets [16:08] [DeepO] at least [16:08] [DeepO] if another decoy fleet can threaten more, the better [16:08] [DeepO] also, we're planning on sinking all of their pickets beforehand [16:08] [Krill] what about 2 destroyers, 3 trans, empty [16:08] [Krill] per decot [16:08] [Krill] decoy [16:08] [DeepO] so if they can't scout, they will suspect even more trannies [16:08] [MasterZen] I'm trying to convince ND to do so also, send a decoy fleet [16:09] [DeepO] That would be great! [16:09] [Krill] how many could we both have in addition to the necassary boats? [16:09] [DeepO] BTW, would ND be involved in the fun or not? [16:09] [MasterZen] how many units is GS is planning to send? [16:09] [DeepO] much needs to be decided [16:09] [MasterZen] the thing is that ND is a bit backwards compared to us [16:09] [DeepO] but you should count on over 100 units in the first 2-3 turns [16:09] [MasterZen] they can't muster up a force yet since they haven't finished their factory/coalplant/hospital spree [16:10] [DeepO] in that case, I'm personally hesitant to sell them tanks [16:10] [DeepO] if only to make it as hard for Lego as possible to get even [16:10] [MasterZen] then don't [16:11] [DeepO] well, it would also make both our lives a bit safer [16:11] [MasterZen] ours especially :P [16:11] [DeepO] indeed [16:11] [MasterZen] so let's see... for example, 120 units [16:11] [DeepO] take that as an example, yes [16:11] [MasterZen] each transport sends 8, that's 15 transports [16:12] [MasterZen] i'd say about 32 infs [16:12] [MasterZen] or 36 [16:12] [DeepO] 40 marines [16:12] [DeepO] 40 tanks [16:12] [MasterZen] rest cav [16:12] [DeepO] a couple of settlers, explorers [16:12] [MasterZen] hmm.. artillery too [16:12] [Krill] YOU NEED SOME MORE TRANS [16:12] [DeepO] cav perhaps (those aren't included n the 120, BTW) [16:13] [MasterZen] look at it this way: [16:13] [DeepO] and bombers /fighter ready [16:13] [MasterZen] we need a good mix to CONSOLIDATE [16:13] [MasterZen] follow up troops should be mostly tank/inf [16:13] [DeepO] they will be, of course [16:14] [MasterZen] I get shivers just thinking about this [16:14] [DeepO] and with chaining, we can decide which we need more [16:14] [DeepO] fun, isn't it? [16:14] [MasterZen] but it's either we do it now, or Lego will do unto us [16:14] [DeepO] if we don't do it, we're both lost [16:14] [MasterZen] we could always nuke the crap out of them [16:14] [DeepO] Lego is getting too big [16:15] [DeepO] if they're not first [16:15] [DeepO] with Hoover, and factories everywhere, we never even came close to their productive power [16:15] [MasterZen] do you know if they have oil? [16:15] [DeepO] yes they have [16:16] [MasterZen] well, we're not even close either, though I could do some "testing" to see [16:16] [MasterZen] but highly unlikely [16:16] [DeepO] ultimately, that is the problem [16:16] [DeepO] they haven't even gotten to hospitals [16:16] [DeepO] and have a loose build [16:17] [DeepO] so there really is no choice... [16:17] [MasterZen] also, we need to think about ultimate objectives: [16:17] [DeepO] Oh, and Lego knows this [16:17] [MasterZen] GS should obviouly target their FP core [16:17] [DeepO] they are expecting to be attacked [16:17] [MasterZen] we should target the Jackson are [16:17] [MasterZen] a [16:17] [DeepO] which is why we are lobbying to break all deals with them [16:17] [MasterZen] we need to know where their damn FP is [16:18] [DeepO] we probably need a map [16:18] [DeepO] and having a spy would be fun too, to see their forces [16:18] [MasterZen] having a spy would be fabulous [16:18] [DeepO] but who can go for espionage in time? [16:18] [MasterZen] ND? [16:18] [DeepO] perhaps [16:19] [DeepO] if they want to, it would be superb [16:19] [MasterZen] we'd still need to build the Intel Agency [16:19] [DeepO] prebuild... [16:19] [DeepO] and only one of us need it: us [16:19] [MasterZen] we cna't afford it [16:19] [DeepO] we can share info to you [16:19] [DeepO] how many shields in the Intel Agency? [16:19] [DeepO] 400 or something? [16:19] [MasterZen] probably [16:19] [DeepO] that's 4 tanks... [16:20] [DeepO] it is worth 4 tanks [16:20] [DeepO] and by splitting the cost, and the info gained [16:20] [DeepO] it would be quite beneficial [16:20] [MasterZen] ND should collaborate with this [16:20] [DeepO] indeed, if they want to [16:20] [MasterZen] if they can't send troops, at least they should finance our little spy activities [16:21] [DeepO] agreed [16:21] [DeepO] but they are also going to expecting something in return [16:21] [MasterZen] though the longer the war lasts, the more likely they'll intervene [16:21] [DeepO] other then techs... [16:21] [DeepO] ND? [16:21] [MasterZen] yep [16:21] [DeepO] on which side? [16:21] [MasterZen] on OURS of course [16:21] [DeepO] ah [16:22] [MasterZen] Darekill told me he's game, but that economics are a priority right now since they are backwards to us [16:22] [DeepO] well, they're welcome [16:22] [DeepO] yeah, we noticed [16:22] [DeepO] a couple of turns ago, we analysed how far they were behind [16:22] [MasterZen] in a way that was an advantage, Zayxus was so paranoid of GoW he spent quite a lot to get military parity [16:22] [DeepO] we've been blessed with our sea wall [16:23] [DeepO] but right now, we're only building units [16:23] [DeepO] apart from a couple of last buildings [16:23] [MasterZen] we still have to finish stuff, our first 2 cities start building this turn [16:23] [DeepO] yeah, but you're still strong compared to us [16:23] [MasterZen] hoover gave you quite a time advantage, if not an productive one, vis-a-vis us [16:23] [DeepO] well, as of last turn [16:23] [DeepO] haven't checked this turn [16:24] [DeepO] Hoover was nice [16:24] [DeepO] but it costs a lot for us [16:24] [DeepO] the shield count is enough for 4 Hydroplants [16:24] [Krill] But it provided slightly more than that [16:24] [MasterZen] but it gives you quite a bang for the buck [16:24] [DeepO] so to us, it's not that big a deal for our selves [16:25] [Krill] Think of what would have happened if Lego had it [16:25] [DeepO] it's more a thing that we couldn't let it happen to Lego [16:25] [DeepO] indeedv [16:25] [Krill] beat you [16:25] [MasterZen] yeah [16:25] [DeepO] but we're not complaining [16:25] [MasterZen] well look at it this way: GS is going down in history as the civ who beat everyone else to most wonders [16:25] [DeepO] Hoover is one of the only reasons why we still have some power [16:26] [MasterZen] nah, i'd say it was Copernicus and Newton's [16:26] [DeepO] but our window is closing very fast [16:26] [DeepO] those we're nice too [16:26] [DeepO] anyway [16:26] [DeepO] back to the war [16:27] [DeepO] basic plans what they are [16:27] [DeepO] could you check if you can economically make turn 240? [16:27] [MasterZen] I told you what our ojectives should be: [16:27] [DeepO] ah yes [16:27] [DeepO] and I agree on those [16:27] [MasterZen] I was planning on this weekend doing an-indepth economic analysis to see [16:27] [DeepO] BTW, our first objective is to get Lego down from their first position [16:27] [MasterZen] I haven't really had time right now [16:28] [DeepO] totally conquering it would be nice, of course [16:28] [MasterZen] since I am pretty much the only really active GoWer :P [16:28] [DeepO] ok, np [16:28] [MasterZen] or rather.... I AM GoW [16:28] [DeepO] GS has been calm as well [16:28] [MasterZen] conquering them will be well near impossible [16:28] [MasterZen] what we COULD do and it'd be fun, is to take out Vox [16:28] [DeepO] the game needs to end soon, or everybody is gone [16:28] [DeepO] bah, Vox... [16:28] [DeepO] nm, them [16:29] [DeepO] it is possible to take out Lego [16:29] [DeepO] but question is how long it will take [16:29] [Krill] MZ, this game will become a PBEM anyday now... [16:29] [DeepO] and if it would be worth it [16:29] [MasterZen] lol [16:29] [DeepO] I hope not [16:29] [MasterZen] see, without Vox, Lego is alone [16:29] [MasterZen] now consider, [16:29] [DeepO] true... [16:29] [MasterZen] what would be harder: [16:29] [MasterZen] 1) conquer Lego completely? [16:30] [MasterZen] 2) cripple them and conquer Vox? [16:30] [MasterZen] either way it keeps them out of the game [16:30] [DeepO] you have a point [16:30] [DeepO] one that we need to discuss in team [16:30] [MasterZen] yep [16:30] [MasterZen] though admittedly I am sympathetic to Vox, but we must do what we must [16:30] [DeepO] but we both agree that Lego needs to be crippled first [16:30] [MasterZen] ahh yes [16:31] [MasterZen] without their FP and Jackson, they are ****ed [16:31] [DeepO] Vox: well, we fouoght them once [16:31] [MasterZen] (this sounds like the ISDG.. hehehe) [16:31] [DeepO] [16:31] [Krill] [16:31] [MasterZen] of course this makes the ISDG operation feeble in comparison [16:31] [DeepO] their FP is going to be a big hit, yes [16:31] [DeepO] but it will be a hard nut to crack [16:32] [MasterZen] IF we take out their FP we can perhaps conquer them with enough reinforcements [16:32] [MasterZen] without FP perhaps GoW alone will be more productive than them. Add GS, and add ND coming later, they are ****ed [16:32] [DeepO] do you have any idea if they would draft infs? [16:32] [Krill] to survibe? of course [16:32] [MasterZen] In a desperate situation, i'd be drafting infs and going militarized [16:32] [Krill] survive [16:32] [DeepO] well, those can become a problem [16:33] [DeepO] if a city is not supported by a FP, there is no happiness [16:33] [MasterZen] if they militarize, we'll be facing a really tough nut [16:33] [DeepO] so draft all you like [16:33] [DeepO] mobilize you mean? [16:33] [DeepO] we're planning on that [16:33] [MasterZen] err, yes [16:33] [DeepO] but as long as we can, we won't do it [16:33] [MasterZen] neither will we [16:34] [MasterZen] IF however, we suspect they can be conquered completely, we will [16:34] [DeepO] there is no choice for GS, once we can build tanks, we need the production [16:34] [DeepO] and there is a way out for us: RP [16:34] [MasterZen] ? [16:34] [DeepO] well, in case Lego stays at war [16:34] [DeepO] we can declare war and peace to RP [16:34] [DeepO] so we can end it when needed [16:34] [MasterZen] I wonder if that wouldn't end up looking exploitish [16:35] [Krill] bit of an exploit, but screw it. This game is late [16:35] [DeepO] if neccesary, we can always conquer RP [16:35] [MasterZen] lol [16:35] [Krill] Scond time we would have ivaded. [16:35] [MasterZen] you are really nasty hosts [16:35] [Krill] no, wait, third... [16:35] [DeepO] well... [16:35] [DeepO] RP can then live on inside our team [16:35] [DeepO] the whole 1 or 2 members [16:36] [DeepO] if they so choose [16:36] [DeepO] but it's not that far yet [16:36] [DeepO] we can also conquer Vox [16:36] [MasterZen] well, they'll problably try and manipulte GS into attacking US :P [16:36] [DeepO] [16:36] [MasterZen] knowing Arnelos and Togas of course [16:36] [DeepO] they know they have to behave as long as they're on Stormia [16:37] [DeepO] which probably be forever... [16:38] [DeepO] MZ, do you need combustion this turn? [16:38] [DeepO] we finished it [16:38] [DeepO] but, Lego should be 1 or 2 turns behind [16:38] [Krill] If we conqueror enough of Lego, we could always install RP there... [16:38] [Krill] On Lego [16:38] [DeepO] so if you can wait.... it would be better [16:38] [DeepO] 04«14Krill04» if we do that, we risk that Lego would conquere RP again... [16:39] [MasterZen] DeepO: no [16:39] [DeepO] so you can wait until after we see Lego getting it? [16:39] [MasterZen] I will PM one of you guys the turn before we need it [16:39] [Krill] I was joking... [16:39] [DeepO] okay, great [16:40] [DeepO] anything else we need to discuss urgently?

	28-06-2004 10:50									#2
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quote: [16:40] [MasterZen] or I'll just tell your very active FAM, Mr. Krill [16:40] [DeepO] Krill is a good choice [16:40] [DeepO] he is around a lot [16:40] [MasterZen] who is on IRC every day watching the Euro matches just like me [16:40] [DeepO] otherwise you can always PM me [16:40] [MasterZen] we're football junkies, what else can i say.. hehe [16:40] [Krill] io HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO [16:40] [DeepO] yeah... will never understand that [16:40] [MasterZen] lol! [16:41] [Krill] Even though I should be rivising for me last exam... [16:41] [MasterZen] Cort Haus isn't active right now? He's usually the one I PM [16:41] [DeepO] CH is also still around [16:41] [DeepO] just not so active as planner anymore [16:41] [MasterZen] ok [16:42] [DeepO] in case there is nothing else [16:42] [Krill] he will play the CoD save later tonight. PM hi and he will answer [16:42] [Krill] him [16:42] [DeepO] I'm going back to the save... [16:42] [DeepO] getting late here [16:42] [DeepO] and those things take time [16:42] [MasterZen] which means ND won't get the save until tomorrow which means I'll get it sometime in the afternoon... hmm [16:43] [DeepO] yeah, can't be helped [16:43] [MasterZen] I am just so used to playing this save I do it quite fast. About 30 min [16:43] [DeepO] the moment I took over, all turns took another day to get around [16:43] [DeepO] for me, it's more then an hour [16:43] [DeepO] most of the times closer to 2 [16:44] [DeepO] but we don't have the luxury of wasting any shield... [16:44] [Krill] DeepO has the respect of all in our forum [16:45] [MasterZen] our cities are so spaced apart, WF isn't much of an issue... [16:46] [DeepO] yeah... GF's legacy [16:46] [MasterZen] yeah [16:46] [DeepO] sometimes I envy that [16:46] * MasterZen wonders how strong GoW would be if I had been GoW emepror from day 1 :P [16:46] [DeepO] [16:46] [MasterZen] the ironic thing is [16:46] [MasterZen] it was a detriment back then [16:46] [Krill] what was? [16:47] [MasterZen] it isn't so bad right now [16:47] [MasterZen] our city spacing [16:47] [DeepO] we wonder how strong GS would have been if we would have started on Lego's spot [16:47] [MasterZen] the game would be over :P [16:47] [DeepO] most likely [16:47] [Krill] Go talk to Theseus, nBarclay [16:47] [Krill] et al [16:47] [DeepO] or we would have been eliminated long time ago [16:48] [DeepO] but the game would be over for us [16:48] [MasterZen] what's up with the T-man? Haven't seen him in a while [16:48] [Krill] he has had a rough year [16:48] [DeepO] he jumps in once in a while [16:48] [MasterZen] ahh [16:49] [DeepO] yeah... [16:49] [DeepO] which seems to be a common GS thing as well [16:49] [MasterZen] he's a pretty cool guy [16:49] [DeepO] indeed [16:49] [Krill] Great guy [16:49] [Krill] remember when SR phoned him when vox invaded? [16:49] [MasterZen] lol [16:50] [MasterZen] yes [16:50] [Krill] at 4am NYC time [16:50] [DeepO] yeah [16:50] [DeepO] we were present in chat right then [16:50] [DeepO] what a night... [16:50] [DeepO] was up to something like 7 am [16:50] [MasterZen] "When Demo Games go too far" [16:50] [Krill] imagine telling that to grand children... [16:50] [MasterZen] I once had a chat with GS coming back from the nightclub and not entirely sober [16:50] [DeepO] [16:50] [MasterZen] it was me and UnO on our side [16:51] [Krill] oh, gotta go, exam tomorrow. cya [16:51] [MasterZen] and H_E was hanging out in the gow room too listening up, he started having whiskey shots and by the time the chat was over, he was drunk also! [16:51] * Krill has left #GoW-GS [16:51] [DeepO] [16:51] [DeepO] I try to avoid typing drunk [16:51] [MasterZen] that was before the war [16:51] [DeepO] in our forum it's okay [16:52] [DeepO] but a couple of my posts in the public forum have been made like that [16:52] [DeepO] not so good... [16:52] [MasterZen] I occassionaly pop up after getting home a bit buzzed [16:52] [MasterZen] somehow I manage to type... [16:52] [DeepO] the same here... the day after I'm both ashamed, and proud of myself [16:52] [MasterZen] yeah sometimes I write really stupid things [16:52] [DeepO] ashamed for what has been said [16:53] [DeepO] proud that something has been typed after all [16:53] [DeepO] don't we all... [16:53] [MasterZen] sometimes I volunteer for demo game executive spots... like in the PTWDG II ... [16:53] [MasterZen] I agreed to be the current leader of the latin lovers in a drunken state [16:53] [DeepO] for me, this is oing to be my last spot [16:53] [DeepO] I like being in a team [16:53] [DeepO] but doing it every day is too much for me [16:53] [DeepO] I've got too much of a life outside Civ... [16:54] [DeepO] but anyway [16:54] [DeepO] I'm gonig to leave you [16:54] [DeepO] let;'s try to meet again soon [16:54] [DeepO] probably after the econ break down [16:55] [MasterZen] yeah [16:55] [MasterZen] I actually have an active social life [16:55] [MasterZen] or rather.. night life [16:55] [DeepO] same here [16:55] [MasterZen] but most of my spare time is with these demo games. Don't mind it at all, they're fun and you learn alot from them [16:56] [MasterZen] dealing with people, negotiating with other teams, etc. I think these skill could very well help one day [16:56] [MasterZen] in real life [16:56] [DeepO] it's not a drag, it's just that you have to be available all the time [16:56] [MasterZen] it's the diplomacy aspect I like the most [16:56] [DeepO] bah, we're bad at that... always have been [16:56] [MasterZen] you've gotten much better [16:57] [DeepO] perhaps... but there are fewer teams to focus on [16:57] * Cort has joined #GoW-GS [16:57] [Cort] hello [16:57] [DeepO] hi there! [16:57] [MasterZen] well, WE get along quite well i'd say [16:57] [MasterZen] hello Cort [16:57] [DeepO] okay, that's true... and we better do as well [16:57] [Cort] sorry, I expect I've missed everything [16:57] [DeepO] but it's not that we are very active in diplo... [16:58] [DeepO] CH, do you need a log? [16:58] [DeepO] I was about to leave... [16:58] [Cort] yes please [16:58] [DeepO] one second [16:58] [MasterZen] to be honest we got along better with GS than with ND during their last administration [16:58] [DeepO] I'll mail you one [16:58] [Cort] ta [16:59] [MasterZen] we've been talking for almost an hour now [16:59] [MasterZen] [15:51] [MasterZen] hello DeepO [16:59] [MasterZen] [16:59] [MasterZen] we've been talking for almost an hour now [16:59] [MasterZen] more than an hour [16:59] [DeepO] one sec... [16:59] [DeepO] CH, could you give me your addie again? [16:59] [Cort] Tough on Italy, eh? [17:00] [DeepO] Somehow misplaced it... [17:00] [Cort] ashd {AT} blueyonder {DOT} co {DOT} uk [17:00] [MasterZen] I wanted them eliminated [17:00] [MasterZen] I prefer Sweden or Denmark [17:00] [Cort] Well, Sweden & Denmark certainly saw to that [17:01] [MasterZen] now it's going to be Denmark vs. Czech Republic... that's going to be an awsome game [17:01] [DeepO] thx, done [17:01] [MasterZen] and Sweden vs. Holland/Germany (I suspect it'll be Holland) [17:01] [DeepO] and e-mail saved again [17:01] [Cort] The Czechs have been excellent. My favourite side so far [17:01] [MasterZen] yes agreed [17:01] [MasterZen] by far the most spectacular team [17:01] [MasterZen] though England showed its stuff in their last game [17:01] [Cort] Rooooney! [17:01] [MasterZen] Rooney is a monster! [17:02] [MasterZen] I think England, France and the Czechs have the best shots at winning [17:02] [MasterZen] Portugal perhaps if they get their act together, but I doubt it. They play England and I think they'll lose [17:02] [Cort] England are dodgy on set pieces [17:02] [MasterZen] but they have Rooney [17:02] [Cort] France will be OK if Henry gets involved [17:03] [MasterZen] now if only Owen actually started playing well... [17:03] [MasterZen] you'd have a deadlier combo than Henry-Trezeguet [17:03] [Cort] Owen is setting stuff up, so that's OK for me [17:03] [Cort] as long is Rooney is getting the goals [17:03] [MasterZen] still, Owen is far from his potential, IMO [17:04] [Cort] anyway, I'd better read that log (got it thanks DeepO) [17:04] [DeepO] np [17:04] [MasterZen] I'd better go cook [17:04] [DeepO] I'll linger around here [17:04] [DeepO] but am playing the save... [17:04] [DeepO] if you need me, type my name [17:04] [Cort] right - I gotta Cake or Death save to play tonight [17:04] [MasterZen] I'll strick around myself, until my stupid connection disconnects me

The next 20 minutes were 100% football...

	01-07-2004 05:49									#3
	Suffering from ads?

Just a question, when are we planning to do this? With marines I would assume?

	01-07-2004 07:19									#4
	Suffering from ads?

yep