29-06-2004 22:08									#1
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I understand from previous posts that when you probe a city with the Incite Drone Riot option it adds a -2 (representing a single drone) to the city psych counter. Anyone know if multiple occurrences are cumulative? Can you make a city riot even with plenty of drone quelling facilities or just those already on the edge? Is this practical, or are we talking about dozens of probes to get a riot?

	29-06-2004 22:14									#2
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Yeah, you can stack probes. Only works down to -2 psych per citizen IIRC, hence Zak is immune to extra drones past base size 4.

	29-06-2004 22:22									#3
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So no point in gang raping a small base.
Booooooo!

	29-06-2004 22:34									#4
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ummm... livid_imp, you said "gang raping".
I think you meant "probe raping".

	29-06-2004 22:49									#5
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Sure there's a point: Use the sabotage virus to destroy sufficient drone control, then incite rioting. Note that military units in rioting bases are at penalties to defense, and rioting bases are cheaper to subvert.

	29-06-2004 22:54									#6
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Also very annoying when that SP is just about built and you force riots.

	30-06-2004 00:22									#7
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Oh, and an interesting piece of trivia: Sabotaging production of a Secret Project in an AI base does NOT prevent it from being built.

	30-06-2004 00:29									#8
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No, but generally clearing out the defenders at the base does

	30-06-2004 00:38									#9
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All you need to do is scare the AI enough to build a defender instead. Curiously, however, the AI always carries over all of its minerals and never suffers a penalty when changing production, so you need to keep blowing up units to draw down the minerals it's accumulated towards its SP.

	30-06-2004 01:38									#10
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Or do what I do and take the damn base!

	30-06-2004 01:41									#11
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Yeah, If you can capture the base, it's all moot, but often playing a free marketeer I can't stage a proper invasion as easily as protracted probe operations.

	30-06-2004 19:41									#12
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Go green economy...

	30-06-2004 20:34									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova ummm... livid_imp, you said "gang raping". I think you meant "probe raping".

Nope, you heard right. Twenty probes on one city is a gang rape

	30-06-2004 20:44									#14
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quote: Originally posted by CEO Aaron Sure there's a point: Use the sabotage virus to destroy sufficient drone control, then incite rioting.

Yea, but small (size three or less) towns rarely have built such facilities.

quote: Originally posted by CEO Aaron Note that military units in rioting bases are at penalties to defense,

Wow, now that is something I didn't know. I love this game, so complex you still learn new things years later.

quote: Originally posted by CEO Aaron and rioting bases are cheaper to subvert.

I actually rarely buy out cities. I am a cheap bastard, buying a size one city for like 500-1000 ec just seems counter productive to me.

Besides, this is the whole point I was making. It is near impossible to send a size one base into a riot (unless the AI has B-Drones). -2 psych just doesn't cause a riot most of the time.

	30-06-2004 20:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Chaunk No, but generally clearing out the defenders at the base does

Might as well wait a round and take a freebie SP then.

	30-06-2004 21:07									#16
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Well yeah sometimes... Sometimes though, I'll send choppers half way round the world to take out the defenders at a base making a PB. Since the ai's missles have infinite range, they'll be able to hit me even if I'm on the other side of the planet... Very annoying.

	30-06-2004 21:12									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Chaunk Well yeah sometimes... Sometimes though, I'll send choppers half way round the world to take out the defenders at a base making a PB. Since the ai's missles have infinite range, they'll be able to hit me even if I'm on the other side of the planet... Very annoying.

Why not patch?

	05-07-2004 08:40									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory All you need to do is scare the AI enough to build a defender instead. Curiously, however, the AI always carries over all of its minerals and never suffers a penalty when changing production, so you need to keep blowing up units to draw down the minerals it's accumulated towards its SP.

Another thing is that AI changes production in your turn, so make them change to a garrison and sabitoge that.

	05-07-2004 14:51									#19
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Nice idea, Qwerty. I'll try removing all defenders and not taking the base next time.

	05-07-2004 22:58									#20
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Does inciting drones also overrules Secret Project drone quelling abilities? Ie. the Longevity Vaccine and Planetary Transit System.

	06-07-2004 00:18									#21
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It adds base drones.
The SPs still have their effects, but the base has 1 or 2 extra drones to start with.

	06-07-2004 03:18									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Nice idea, Qwerty. I'll try removing all defenders and not taking the base next time.

Ever try taking a base with just one unit, if the base has a lot of minerals its hard, so a probe team can be very useful in disabling defenders being built

	06-07-2004 03:38									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Qwerty88 Another thing is that AI changes production in your turn, so make them change to a garrison and sabitoge that.

Even fully patched, that bug's still in there.

	06-07-2004 03:40									#24
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Is it a bug? I would consider it a feature to keep the AI more competitive.

	06-07-2004 13:28									#25
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The bug actually helps AI because it allows the garrison to be built a turn early so the base isn't captured.

	06-07-2004 16:56									#26
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The change in base production should happen just before that AI's turn though. Less exploitable while still helping their base remain uncaptured.

	06-07-2004 23:05									#27
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I believe there is even a flag in the alpha(x) text to turn on this kind of re-tooling for the player. Not during another player's turn though, but during the upkeep phase.

quote: 40, ; Retool percent penalty for production change; 2, Retool strictness (0 = Always Free, 1 = Free in Category, 2 = Free if Project, 3 = Never Free)

the '40' is from Aldebaran. I think it's 50 normally.

So if you could get an upkeep in every base, from drone riots, golden age, or something, you could always change production, just like AI. Never tried it though.

	06-07-2004 23:30									#28
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I think that phase of upkeep occurs after building things so if you have a drone riot so you switch to rec commons and rush build it it won't get built till next turn.

	06-07-2004 23:43									#29
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That's true, but I seem to remember some exploit with that. Isn't it possible to build twice? If you have lots of minerals, build a scout or something, then drone riot, put another scout in the queue, and both will be built? Gads, it's been a long time since I tested things like that.