02-07-2004 23:07									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious What is legitimate is really just a matter of political opinion then.

Yes.

	02-07-2004 23:08									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Ouch! They need to update those books

Not quite update... they knew what they were putting in there was incorrect

	02-07-2004 23:19									#243
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Berz has lost the argument.

He's resorted to replying to almost every single sentence with vague irrelevancies.

Nice try.

	02-07-2004 23:20									#244
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jesus christ berz, that was a long ass post

	03-07-2004 00:00									#245
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Read it, Sava. Most of it is completely meaningless.

	03-07-2004 00:17									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Is morality supernatural? Morality is the basis for rights, they are moral claims to act... Some people don't believe in inherent rights but do believe they should be created by society, that's neither a material object or supernatural...

That's precisely the point. If we by morality understand a societal code of conduct, it's not supernatural. If we consider it to be an absolute set of rules existing independently of material consequences, to borrow Aggie's phrase, it's supernatural.

	03-07-2004 00:45									#247
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Berz:

quote: It's amazingly natural, well, the amazing part is you think it's bizarre. Self-ownership is hard-wired into us and we can see it with acts of self-defense and survival.

I too, do not see anything inherently bizarre with the idea.

I do note, however, that among 200+ countries on the planet, not one recognizes full legal ownership of your body. Nonetheless, no-one seems to be upset. This would require some explanation if the belief in self-ownership is hard-wired into us ...