01-07-2004 14:57									#1
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EDIT:
There's still a problem with Morgan's ECs.
This turn was meaningless - I'm deleting the attachment to save space on 'poly.

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	01-07-2004 14:59									#2
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EDIT: Problem. Morgan. Cash. Replay.

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	01-07-2004 17:48									#3
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It looks good, the only difference with how I would have done it is founding a base on the nut tile next turn (21.67). But that's just me...

The monoliths are indeed a gods gift!

Why does Sinder Kahlua claims that highlighted spot to be a base site? Did the cursor jump to it or something?

And I see sea!! Also, colonizing to the east and south looks good. Mountains, the pholus ridge and the nessus canyon. It's a good Planetfall!!

As for basenames: Nova Network and Kahlua Probing.

	01-07-2004 18:29									#4
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Quite the contrary. We were clicking around in the dark area, viewing undiscovered terrain.
Then the crosshair -didn't- recenter.

I founded the bases THEN moved the probe. I didn't want xenoblooms swiping all our available terrain - which would suck.

The Rover can look for stuff, and the CLASSIFIED can blow up the stuff the rover finds.
Plasma Garrisons in Perims got you down?
No problem! With Mind Control and CLASSIFIED, we'll get you there!

The Monoliths were pretty good, I admit. Even got rid of a rocky fungus square - which are real PIAs.

Base names registered:
Enigma Machine and Kahlua Probing.

	01-07-2004 18:50									#5
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Mmm, clicking around in the dark is one of the things we're not supposed to do, Enigma...

	01-07-2004 18:52									#6
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Maki found the base. I was just lookin' for rock formations n stuff.

	01-07-2004 20:26									#7
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Then I'll PM Maki when I get home for an explanation. Finding bases in the unexplored area is not allowed however it was done. If she has found a base there, I will be forced to take action.

	01-07-2004 21:13									#8
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I would like to say here, that I will do all I can, to stop any ill intended actions in this game. And I will do all I can, to uphold the integrity of this game.

	01-07-2004 21:18									#9
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Drogue: Might want to PM me as well.

I viewed the unexplored area of the map. Not trying to find bases, but trying to see where the mountains and oceans probably are.
My guess is that Maki stumbled on that square unintentionally - trying to recenter her view on the Mt. Planet - looking thingy.

I doubt there are 4 Mt. Planets in this map, but I'm prepared for it if there are.

If Maki's found an AI faction, might as well tell people about it. No sense giving us an unfair advantage.

Last edited by Enigma_Nova on 01-07-2004 at 21:27

	01-07-2004 21:30									#10
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I'm making a map based upon the elevations. Its about half done at present, will post it soon.

	01-07-2004 21:49									#11
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Okay, forget the CLASSIFIED. Seems there's a problem with the morganite turn and we'll need to replay.
Well, easy come easy go is all I have to say about this.

	01-07-2004 22:52									#12
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And I couldn't open the end Sav turn anyway.

When the repeat comes to be played. we must play the same moves. if there are differenr pod outcomes, save the turn and look for comments here before replaying. That is how we agree to do it.

The turnchat was fine, because Method was present and we followed the moves already discussed.

	01-07-2004 23:26									#13
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Just sent A PM to HongHu, but I'll repeat the gist here:

I was examining the island groups to look for familar things (MtPlanet, Garland Crater and other land marks are distinctive even cloaked in blackness) I was moving over to the mt planet isle, and the screen didn't jump too - out of curiousity, because I've never used/tried that tactic before, kept clicking around to see if it was just me Probably should've kept silent but I was liek "OMG that actually works??:?"

	02-07-2004 00:56									#14
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I'll defend Maki. She's the only replacement turnplayer if something happens to me.
I presume Maki wasn't basescouting, but if she was, then she should deny it!

Ehh... well, knowing a Central Base's location (probably AI) doesn't give us an advantage if we tell all the factions where it is.
I hope this DG goes without error.

	02-07-2004 01:26									#15
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Ok I have read the turn chat. I strongly and seriously protest the following comment:

quote: Someone's corrupting somebody

	02-07-2004 01:48									#16
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Here is the reconstructed map. All in all I think it's pretty accurate.

Known Problems :

-I couldn't get the Nessus Canyon in quite the right place.
-As has been mentioned, there are several places that could be Mount Planet, so I just guessed.
-There are some inland squares that aren't exactly the right elevation, from looking at the tile slant, mostly on that big western continent.
-This method is unable to distinguish between ocean squares and flat land squares. Thus the map will not show low-lying islands or flat-square "curtains" that extend out from continents.
-The map doesn't recreate the overlays.
-Raininess distrubution will not be 100% accurate due to the afformentioned problems.

Attachment: planet extrapolation folder 1.zip
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	02-07-2004 02:12									#17
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If the Hive are on that central continent, as is rumored, and they are intended to be a force to be reckoned with, as is also rumored, they will probably have the Monsoon Jungle.

The Spartans and one other faction, maybe Gaians, but more likely an AI, are probably on that big Western continent.

Attachment: planet extrapolation 1 small b.gif
This has been downloaded 44 time(s).

	02-07-2004 02:52									#18
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There can be more than 1 mt. planet.

The Central continent is probably The Hive.
The AI is probably on that Western segment (we don't know if they're continents or if they're joined on).

The rest of us are on each of those 4 small segments around The Hive.

	02-07-2004 03:40									#19
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Holy **** and this is just year 2101

	02-07-2004 03:45									#20
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Ok, I have a few points to make. Whether or not Maki was looking for bases, that is a direct breach of the rules. The rules stated that no method for finding bases outside of unexplored areas are allowed. The actions you took are a textbook example of how to locate a base outside of the base radius. If looking at terrain levels *might* make you locate a base, and thus directly break the rules, then don't click on unexplored area. This was not finding a base by mistake, whatever the intention. This was an exact breach of the rules. You clicked on an unexplored square in order to see what was there, and found a base. The rules state you may not find a base outside of the area you have explored. However you find it, if it is a result of your actions (ie. you're not simply told by another member) you have broken the rules, since the offense is finding it. Obviously clicking on squares to find terrain *could* lead you to find a base, and thus it is a distinctly possible outcome of searching for terrain.

quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus The Spartans and one other faction, maybe Gaians, but more likely an AI, are probably on that big Western continent.

How do you know which faction is which, or have any idea to guess? Just wondering

As for the replaying, I am talking to Kody about ways to try and avoid it. If we replay it to get those conditions, there'll be so many reloads, it will be obvious to other factions that you've got some seriously special conditions.

I'm open to any suggestions regarding that, and am looking at what to do about your clicking. I believe that you weren't looking for bases, but to make it fair, I think releasing the location of that base to all factions will be the fairest course of action. No-one unfairly benefits from it then. However if it happens again, for any reason, I will not consider it to be accidental, in the same way, and will be moderately harsher.

What you did was against the rules. Finding a base by clicking is clearly against the rules. If you do it completely by accident (the screen moves by accident and you find something) them PM myself immediately, with an explanation. Since I don't believe your intent was dishonourable, just misguided, my actions will just be to level the playing field, not to impose any penalty.

As I said, any suggestions about replays, etc. are greatly appreciated, and all arguments/defenses will be listened to, and thought upon, in any ruling.

	02-07-2004 04:17									#21
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Drogue: I'll replay the turn.
I knew I'd get ---KARMA for popping a CLASSIFIED on turn 1.
I thought it would be an earthquake pod to divert the river, but turns out it's a replay of turn 1! >_<''

Well, if the God of Random Number Generators wishes me to have an Ogre, she will give me an ogre.
If she instead wishes to *****slap me and eat my probe team with mindworms, such is life too.

(ED. NOTE: There will be a lot of *****ing for a reload if MWs do in fact eat the probe team)

	02-07-2004 04:41									#22
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If the exact sequence of moves is posted to me or put somewhere on this forum, I'm willing to replay the turn too.

Problem is, I can do it only around the time the 48 hours time limit expires. So the turn would be posted in the nick of time.

Also, about that a hidden base is found, the terrain types we found this turn almost cry for a further exploration south and east.
How about that we just don't go to that area for 5-10 turns or so instead of letting anyone know that something sneaky might have happened with the announcement of this base location?
WE are not sure either WHICH faction is situated there, it is just a black spot on the map which doesn't recenter, open for speculation.

	02-07-2004 04:41									#23
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As per Enigma's suggestion, and since I am likely to be absent for the next 24 hours (at least with access to play turns), Method will forward the new turn to the Angels, for Enigma/Maki to replay, exactly as they did. If someone could PM the base co-ordinates to me, I will release them to the other factions over the weekend, to level the playing field.

	02-07-2004 04:44									#24
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Ok, posted too late, the decision has fallen...

	02-07-2004 05:12									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder If the exact sequence of moves is posted to me or put somewhere on this forum, I'm willing to replay the turn too.

Either is fine. It must be the same moves, and will be posted on this forum, but it's up to the Angels who does it.

quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Problem is, I can do it only around the time the 48 hours time limit expires. So the turn would be posted in the nick of time.

Time limit is not a problem. Was an error with the turnn you got. 48 hours starts from when the new turn is posted.

quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Also, about that a hidden base is found, the terrain types we found this turn almost cry for a further exploration south and east. How about that we just don't go to that area for 5-10 turns or so instead of letting anyone know that something sneaky might have happened with the announcement of this base location? WE are not sure either WHICH faction is situated there, it is just a black spot on the map which doesn't recenter, open for speculation.

I'd rather not. I won't tell them where it is either. You can explore whichever way you want, but the only way to make it exactly fair is to give that base location to everyone, so everyone has an equal position. I will tell them it was discovered by accident, so is being equalized, not as a punishment. I don't want to punish, just to level the playing field.

The comment I made, asking why you think the Spartans are over on what you believe to be a Western Isle, was because foolish seemed relatively confident about it. Also, I'd like to know how you find out landmarks. I did not intend for a map like that to be possible to be made, or even guessed, to any great extent, and would just like to check how it has been done. If it breaks no rule, then it's fine, but I would like to check that all information has been gained legitimately. I'm also quite curious as to the methods used

	02-07-2004 07:38									#26
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blah blah blah, this is a forum, not a story-writing contest.

_short_ summary please.

	02-07-2004 07:58									#27
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My assertion about the Spartans is an educated guess. It seems likely that Buster would set up the starting locations so as to give factions a chance to play to their abilities, in the case of the Spartans, a momentum rush on another faction. But he wouldn't want it to be too certain--thus a land bridge would be present, but the start locations would be far away, necessitating a large continent. That was my reasoning. But upon further reflection, I am less certain about it.

As for the map: I was under the impression that this had been done last game, in making "turn simulators". Certain landmarks have distinctive shapes. Garland Crater, Sunny Mesa, Unity crash site are easy to see. For the rest of the map, examine the slope-shape of the grid lines and land forms will be shown. Recreate the elevations in a map editor, and voila. I'm just glad we weren't using a huge map

	02-07-2004 10:40									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder If the exact sequence of moves is posted to me or put somewhere on this forum, I'm willing to replay the turn too.

I forget.

quote: WE are not sure either WHICH faction is situated there, it is just a black spot on the map which doesn't recenter, open for speculation.

It's not a human faction and there's not enough space there for 2 factions. (Presuming the submissives are close to one-another)
It's a Hive base.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it is THE Hive base, and if it isn't, then The Hive would certainly be nearby.

quote: Ok, posted too late, the decision has fallen...

:/ meh.

	02-07-2004 10:45									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Method will forward the new turn to the Angels, for Enigma/Maki to replay, exactly as they did.

Save for the different pod pops, of course.

quote: Time limit is not a problem. Was an error with the turnn you got. 48 hours starts from when the new turn is posted.

Let's GO GO GO. I'm tired of waiting for Morgan to fix their petty cash problems! >

quote: Also, I'd like to know how you find out landmarks. I did not intend for a map like that to be possible to be made, or even guessed, to any great extent, and would just like to check how it has been done.

Garland Crater, Mt. Planet, UNS unity wreckage, Nessus Canyon, Pholus Ridge, Sunny Mesa and to a lesser extent the Manifold Nexus
all have predictable terrain associated with them.

	02-07-2004 10:47									#30
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Icarus: I doubt Sparta will Momentum rush any old faction.
They're probably set up to bumrush Lal more than anything.

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