02-07-2004 15:05									#31
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Huh?

	02-07-2004 15:06									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Partypooper.

However, you can do it over IM like ICQ.

	02-07-2004 15:07									#33
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You people don't moderate it, yet.

	02-07-2004 15:08									#34
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UR doesn't have the balls to ban I think

	02-07-2004 15:09									#35
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I'd ban you for that Avatar.

And UR is just keeping with the spirit of the thread.

	02-07-2004 16:30									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Speer, what you need to do is to put yourself into the position you advocate. Suppose you are talking to a friend about a certain issue. You try to explain your position to him. All he does is swearing and cursing at you. Calling you names. Verbally abusing you, trying to cut you down. If you still think this should be a legit debate tactic, I recommend you go do some experiments by putting yourself on the receiving end.

Shut up, stupid.

*grabs board with a nail in it*

For once I agree with the dumb commies, lets do a revolution against UR. I'll deal with the commies after I gain power of this forum.

	02-07-2004 16:36									#37
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ah, Tass...?

	02-07-2004 16:42									#38
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It would be nice if people really did absorb new information and facts and change their opinions accordingly but most people do not do that. Logic is used as a tool to justify one's own opinion in many cases. If you are arguing with a fool why not call him a fool? BTW, Urban Ranger you are a nice person.

	02-07-2004 16:43									#39
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Remember people: "A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith proves nothing"...

	02-07-2004 16:45									#40
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Yeah Neitchie proved that...

	02-07-2004 16:47									#41
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Neitchie?

	02-07-2004 16:49									#42
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Did I spell it wrong again?

	02-07-2004 16:49									#43
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Both of you. Nietzsche...

	02-07-2004 16:50									#44
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Most of the so called ad hominems on Poly aren't in fact ad hominem fallacies.

Usually, it is "you're an idiot, so we shouldn't believe you." This is not a fallacy because we do in fact take idiocy as grounds for not believing someone.

(of course these arguments aren't very good ones - but they aren't logically invalid).

	02-07-2004 16:55									#45
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the work is an extension of the creator so why isn't the creator up for the debate? thats the crux of my question

	02-07-2004 16:57									#46
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Google says it is spelled Nietzsche. Anyway he went insane inspite of his lack of faith. Maybe he reasoned that insanity was the natural progression of logic.

	02-07-2004 17:01									#47
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Perhaps he had a hereditary that would mess up any brain. Neurological degeneration is completely irrelevent to his previous philosophising.

	02-07-2004 17:02									#48
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he went insane due to syphilis

	02-07-2004 17:03									#49
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Syphilis was it? Either way, the point still applies. His degeneration due to this condition is completely irrelevent to the points he has made.

	02-07-2004 17:04									#50
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Yes, he was quite an immoral *******. He should have not rejected his childhood faith. That was not a very logical decision.

	02-07-2004 17:06									#51
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yeah it sure was stupid of him to reject the slavery to revealation... Lincoln, I am the messiah, worship me and you shall have eternal peace in heaven.

	02-07-2004 17:07									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Yes, he was quite an immoral *******. He should have not rejected his childhood faith. That was not a very logical decision.

His personal life, neither, is none of my concern.

And he did right to reject the dogma from his earlier life...

	02-07-2004 17:16									#53
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im still trying to understand this distinction between the creator and the created that precludes people from using ad hominems...

	02-07-2004 17:18									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Google says it is spelled Nietzsche. Anyway he went insane inspite of his lack of faith. Maybe he reasoned that insanity was the natural progression of logic.

Many christians these days are insane... And that "Blind atheist" link is misleading. There is no such thing as a blind atheist, when there exists no evidence for religion. Nietzsche was in his right turning away from the stupidity of religionism. I turned away from it, and downright rejected it because I have common sense.

	02-07-2004 17:19									#55
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I hate to tell you this, Albert, but this thread is an indication that there are actually people who are "worse" at philosophy than others.

	02-07-2004 17:20									#56
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You're my hero, GC.

	02-07-2004 17:22									#57
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Nietzsche wasn't even an athiest per se. His declaration that God was dead wasn't, as popularily thought, a declaration of athiesm (would an athiest claim that God was dead? rather, an atheist would say there is and never was a God). It was more of an awakening to the fact that God is irrelevent.

anyway, Hume and Hiedegger also would appear to be on my side on this. i'm still trying to understand what is wrong with ad hominem arguements. the artist is not so distinct from the art that he can not be judged as well. just as you can extend your criticism of a painting being a bad painting onto the painter, calling him a bad painter, the creator himself is up for debate

	02-07-2004 17:29									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Many christians these days are insane... And that "Blind atheist" link is misleading. There is no such thing as a blind atheist, when there exists no evidence for religion. Nietzsche was in his right turning away from the stupidity of religionism. I turned away from it, and downright rejected it because I have common sense.

You have read the book then before you formed your opinion of it?

	02-07-2004 17:31									#59
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It seems most of you lot haven't so why should we?

	02-07-2004 17:35									#60
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Look there is no evidence for christianity. Your religion is not better then any of the others out there either. In fact your religion is evil and homophobic. I recommend you read a book by a real atheist and not by some blind fundamentalist trying to paint atheists as blind.