11-07-2004 15:33									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Let us continue to honour a fallen soldier, not air our political beliefs.

I agree, but the thread title seems to suggest otherwise...

	11-07-2004 22:07									#92
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Winston -- any person who is traumatized by someone else's death is entitled to express their emotions anyway they want to as long as they are not hurting others.

	11-07-2004 22:16									#93
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Winston -- any person who is traumatized by someone else's death is entitled to express their emotions anyway they want to as long as they are not hurting others.

I agree... however, while I can understand shawnmmcc venting his emotions, I would prefer if others don't continue to the political discussion in this thread. There are many other threads for that discussion.

shawnmmcc, my prayers are with you and your family.

	11-07-2004 23:29									#94
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My condolences on your family's loss.

If your sister has ANY problems with anything she should contact her Federal Congressman or Senator.

Most people shy away from that but they are very good about getting their constiuents all their military entitlements.

My unit came back in April and we had a d@@m b@@@@@d of a General screw the whole unit out of a third of their pay. Our chain of command was too concerned over their careers to do squat and left us out to dry.

We got back home and five us went to every Congressman and Senator's office we had. Long story short, the Major who blew our issue off in our Battalion looks to be kicked out of the military and the General appears to be in some political hot water now.

All Congressmen and Senators have an aide who specializes in military matters and should be more than willing to help your family with any issues they may have.

	12-07-2004 14:10									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Lars-E I would vote for Bush...

Lars, are you sure you are a western European?

	12-07-2004 22:40									#96
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My best to you and your brother in law's family. That is a very difficult situation. Stay strong for her and for him.


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	12-07-2004 23:17									#97
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My condoleances. May his memory and legacy live on...

	13-07-2004 09:40									#98
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condolences to your sister, but you have no right to be angry with the admin, and neither does your sister. People in the armed forces do not get to choose the battles they fight, they do what they are told. Everyone knows that, and i'm sure he knew it when he signed up. His intentions were good, and I appluad his corageousness, but people in the military are paid to be soldiers and to fight who and when they are told.

	13-07-2004 20:35									#99
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He has every right to be angry at the administration, even if his arguments are without merit. Just let him say his piece.

	13-07-2004 21:18									#100
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Winston -- any person who is traumatized by someone else's death is entitled to express their emotions anyway they want to as long as they are not hurting others.

	13-07-2004 23:09									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak condolences to your sister, but you have no right to be angry with the admin, and neither does your sister. People in the armed forces do not get to choose the battles they fight, they do what they are told. Everyone knows that, and i'm sure he knew it when he signed up. His intentions were good, and I appluad his corageousness, but people in the military are paid to be soldiers and to fight who and when they are told.

Can I say it one more time? We need to respect how anyone chooses to grieve.

	13-07-2004 23:49									#102
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The thread title isn't an expression of grief, it's a political statement.

We need fewer busybodies telling other people how to react to political statements.

	14-07-2004 00:00									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Winston The thread title isn't an expression of grief, it's a political statement. We need fewer busybodies telling other people how to react to political statements.

Actually... IMHO, the thread title is an expression of grief, and I'm treating it as such. As I said in an earlier post, I respect his right to grieve however he wants. But, if others want to go beyond showing support and want to discuss the politics, they should take it to any of the other usually available threads. And that is not just a suggestion. Is that clear

	14-07-2004 00:06									#104
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Sure. I didn't go into politics, I gave my condolences early on.

But posters other than mods trying to police people's responses seemed a bit much.

Now that I have your ear Ming, could you tell me how long this thread is going to stay topped?

	14-07-2004 01:05									#105
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As long as we feel it is helping him with his grief. There is no time limit set on it. Death in a family is a terrible thing... It's the least we can do for one of our members.

	14-07-2004 01:07									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Ming As long as we feel it is helping him with his grief. There is no time limit set on it. Death in a family is a terrible thing... It's the least we can do for one of our members.

	14-07-2004 01:11									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Now that I have your ear Ming, could you tell me how long this thread is going to stay topped?

Why do you care?

	14-07-2004 01:18									#108
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So that's indefinitely. Ok.

Now, the sidetracking is over for my part.

	14-07-2004 09:57									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Actually... IMHO, the thread title is an expression of grief, and I'm treating it as such. As I said in an earlier post, I respect his right to grieve however he wants. But, if others want to go beyond showing support and want to discuss the politics, they should take it to any of the other usually available threads. And that is not just a suggestion. Is that clear

quote: Originally posted by Ming As long as we feel it is helping him with his grief. There is no time limit set on it. Death in a family is a terrible thing... It's the least we can do for one of our members.

	15-07-2004 17:26									#110
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Just ventured into OT for the first time in weeks...

My thoughts go out to you.

	19-07-2004 04:01									#111
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This thread was started 15 minutes after I logged off last time, so I have missed it for 2 weeks (as most other Worlds news, big or small).

My condoleances - Another needless death in a war already full of them.


On a side note, I'm surprised so many Americans joined the army because of 9/11. You don't attack terrorists with tanks, do you, not even in Afghanistan. Your brother-in-law should have joined FBI if he wanted to fight terrorism.

	19-07-2004 06:36									#112
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Shawn, I'm sorry to hear about your brother in law. Mine managed to survive a tour in Afghanistan and another in Iraq, and I was mightily worried that he wouldn't make it. I'm sorry that fate had something else in store for your family.

	20-07-2004 02:29									#113
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Just read your thread now. I'm very sorry to hear what happened.

Please take care of yourself and your sister. Our thoughts are with you.

	20-07-2004 03:47									#114
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I don't post here anymore, came to check up on an old thread and felt compelled to post...

My sincerest condolences on your loss - perhaps if the protagonists understood what it was like to be in harm's way, they wouldn't be so eager to pull the trigger.

	21-07-2004 09:35									#116
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Hope the family is doing alright.

	21-07-2004 11:18									#117
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I haven't read the rest of this thread, Shawn, nor do I intend to, for it would distract me from what's most important; namely: You are not alone in your grief. Know that others grieve with you.

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	21-07-2004 16:03									#118
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I'm sorry to hear about this.

Perhaps there's not much I can say that can make this any easier for you and the family, but this may help:

I know you're pissed off about how he died. This is natural and you have every right to be pissed off. Still, it is important not to spend too much time being bitter, as not much good comes out of that. When you're with your family and your loved ones, try to focus on how he lived and take comfort in that.

* Guardian smiles a sad smile.

	23-07-2004 07:35									#119
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Although I can certainly understand anger, it is mis-directed.
Even Saddam (So-Damn) Hussain thought he had WMD. In fact, recently some (in small and low grade amounts) have been found.
However, the real murderer of your brother in law was who ever pulled the trigger. Be it Saddam's flunkies, or guys that came in from other countries to do just that.

I am more upset with Bush 1 for not finishing it when he had the golden opportunity.

Saddam kept taking pot shots at US and British planes in the no fly zone, that was enough reason to go in and take him out as far as I am concerned.

I would however, like to offer my advise if your sister requires it. I have a long history in the insurance business with a strong leaning to the financial planning part of it. Depending on where she is living, I advise her to talk to a planner that is part of a larger office, not a guy with a secretary operating out of a dinky office. Don't hire unless she gets a call back within 48 hours of leaving a message each time she calls, and make sure she calls at least three time before committing herself to a particular financial planner. Make sure he has a CFP designation.

ALSO. If she is going to have a fairly large amount of money, say 250k+, mutual fund companies will lower thier fees if the financial planner will lower thier commision an equal percentage. The more money she has, the more they will lower thier fees. Play hard ball.
Act like the planner is in competition for her business.

Do NOT allow her to make major, long term financial arrangements for the first year. Sell the house, but talk to three agents about what it should go for.
No new house, no new car. Have her wait a year, no less.

I am very sorry that the best of a generation are the ones that die in wars, but it had always been so and always will.

As far as the person who said that people should have joined the FBI to combat terrorist.

PLEASE. First the FBI is domestic, not foreign. Second. It is far easier to get into the military than the FBI. Third, Americans understand that in order to stop this, we are going to have to kill everyone even remotely connected to anyone remotely involved with anyone remotely responsible with thinking about attacking us.

The CIA is a bloody joke and the FBI is a bureaucratic nightmare. The FBI is law enforcement, and law enforement can't do what needs to be done.

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