03-07-2004 05:39									#1
	My sister's husband dead in Iraq - may Bush rot in hell. Got spare money?

I just received a phone, my sister, the one who is severely scarred from childhood burns, just had her husband killed in Iraq. She thought he was safe, the handover and the fact he got lucky and was deployed in an Abrams, but they got him outside the vehicle. Total irony - she had just received the forms back for in vitro (they had been trying to conceive and were having some problems).

I have thoroughly disliked this administration from the start, but now it's personal (for any US security personnel and data miners out there, I will work against Bush via the toll both, no other way). My sister may end up staying with us this summer, once she sells the house and all that. Any ex-military, or military spouses out there, have any suggestions for her on how the military handles this. Plus, does the US Army try to play games with the widow the same way they do with service-related disablilities?

There's not that much more to say, except he's dead. Unnecessarily (if it had been in Afghanistan that would have been totally different). Under false pretences. At least I voted against the fool, and as I've stated before I wanted McCain - after spending the length of time he did in a Vietnamese prison cell, he would not have so lightly started the Irag conflict. This is what you get when you elect a chickhawk who talks about how dangerous his practice flights out across the Gulf of Mexico were .

	03-07-2004 05:40									#2
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My heartfelt condolences on her (and your) loss.

	03-07-2004 05:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc I have thoroughly disliked this administration from the start, but now it's personal (for any US security personnel and data miners out there, I will work against Bush via the toll both, no other way). My sister may end up staying with us this summer, once she sells the house and all that. Any ex-military, or military spouses out there, have any suggestions for her on how the military handles this. Plus, does the US Army try to play games with the widow the same way they do with service-related disablilities?

My condolences to you and your Sister. I hope your Brother in law didn't blow off his chain of command everytime they told him they needed to update his Page 13 (250k life insurance policy).

	03-07-2004 06:02									#5
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Terrible news. I'm sorry to hear this and I hope your sister can get through this okay.

	03-07-2004 06:05									#6
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I Am sorry

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	03-07-2004 06:07									#7
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I'm sorry to hear that

	03-07-2004 06:19									#8
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Lonestar, I'll make sure foward that info to her - since he joined after they got married, she's probably OK. By the way, I meant voting booth, through polls, and then totally scrambled on my first post.

	03-07-2004 06:24									#9
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Being upset we'll allow for typos.

My condolences to you and your sister, all those touched by his life.

	03-07-2004 06:26									#10
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hang in there man. I get furious when something bad happens to my kid sister, I couldn't imagine if her (currently non-existent) husband was slain in such a manner.

	03-07-2004 06:33									#12
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Lonestar, I just fowarded to my sister your info on the insurance (he was a lawyer, and typically very good about keeping all the paperwork up according to my sister). It helps, she was doing the typical high-speed worry about everything upset. It really helped her out. Thanks.

	03-07-2004 06:38									#13
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My condolences to you and your sister.

	03-07-2004 06:42									#14
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Damn. Very sorry to hear that.

	03-07-2004 06:42									#15
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damn it

	03-07-2004 06:44									#16
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When it rains, it pours.

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You have my condolences.

	03-07-2004 06:52									#19
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Lonestar, I just fowarded to my sister your info on the insurance (he was a lawyer, and typically very good about keeping all the paperwork up according to my sister). It helps, she was doing the typical high-speed worry about everything upset. It really helped her out. Thanks.

I'm not sure of it's "real" name. IN the Navy it's called a "Page 13" because that's where it is in your personnel record. I remember when I was in Bahrain briefly before the war began they kept on reminding us to use the free legal service to update your wills and keep the Page 13 updated.

I saw many people just blow that off, which is why I brought it up.

	03-07-2004 07:53									#20
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Terrible news. My condolances.

Was she already planning to sell her house or is this because of her husband's death?

My relatives sold my uncle's house right after he died and ended up taking a very low price. They were in shock from my uncle's death and weren't thinking straight.

	03-07-2004 08:18									#21
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That's terrible, I'm sorry for your sister's loss, and yours.

Perhaps in time, it will help a little to think that your brother-in-law died while he was trying to make a difference for people who really needed it.

	03-07-2004 10:18									#22
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I'm very sorry to hear that. At this time you can do a world of good for her by just being there.

	03-07-2004 10:19									#23
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I'm very sorry for you and your sister's loss.

	03-07-2004 10:23									#24
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Sorry to hear about that.

	03-07-2004 10:31									#25
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Sorry to hear about that.

	03-07-2004 11:00									#26
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i'm sorry.

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my most heartfelt condolances. pm me if i could be of any kind of help.

	03-07-2004 11:31									#28
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I'm curious as to where and at which base your brother and law was serving. I'd also like to know what his date of death was compared to when your sister was actually informed because the military has been getting flack for taking up to a month to notify next of kin.

I have not heard of family being given the run around on SGLI payments. In fact the military seems to have enough sense to know that reporters would be all of that story like a fly on **** if they didn't promply pay out life insurence claims for soldiers who were KIA. I seriously doubt you will have a problem on that front. As for your feelings for the war, well, I would be tempted to keep them to myself when your sister is around unless you are sure you know exactly how your brother in law stood on the issue. This could be a potential source of conflict and right now you need to be caring and sympathetic towards your sister and that means if either she or her late husband felt differently then you should keep away from that topic.

	03-07-2004 11:35									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I'm not sure of it's "real" name. .

It's called soldier's group term life insurence or SGLI for short. The maximum is $250k and the Army incourages everyone to register for the maximum amount. That's mainly because they want the maximum amount of monthly payments but if your going to Iraq or Afghanistan maxing it is a wise thing to do. While I was mobilizing for Iraq I know our CO made this a point and everyone in the unit maxed their SGLI.

	03-07-2004 11:56									#30
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Sorry for your loss.