03-07-2004 20:05									#1
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With the foundation of our second and third cities, the Feudal thingy has started.

Now.... what part in all of this have I? I am currently Dictator (a title volunteered for without opposition), and in consultation with whoever shows up in chat and whoever posts on the matters, play the game as I have seen fit. I think I've done OK, but we need to figure something out.

The Feudal thing is fine, but how much will this impact on what the gameplay is? After all, we do need someone to play the game itself, and there has been a little discussion of having someone for a sort of Science Minister position. What other positions are needed, and how do we decide them?

As it is it seems (to me) that with tile ownership, the game moves more from a Dictatorship to a Democracy one again, where the turnplayer just follows orders.

If this post is confused, that shows my state of understanding - how will things differ when we get tile ownerships sorted, and should we pause play until that is done?

	03-07-2004 21:08									#2
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Yeah pretty much I would think you would just play the turn, but you would follow the orders and build queus from the Town Elders.

Should the Warrior and Worker be assigned to Futility or should they be considered under the control of the Despot?

	04-07-2004 07:08									#3
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Does the 'state' own tiles too?

	04-07-2004 17:26									#4
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In the old $mini-game, the state owned all tiles until they were bought in auction by one of the players. Not sure who owns tiles immediately under this system.

	05-07-2004 22:25									#5
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yeah pretty much I would think you would just play the turn, but you would follow the orders and build queus from the Town Elders. Should the Warrior and Worker be assigned to Futility or should they be considered under the control of the Despot?

Assigned to Futility.

	05-07-2004 23:08									#6
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And I am going to refer to you as King MWIA. That is a wonderful experience, I can tell you, to be called King.

Is there something more that you wish, your majesty?

Aidun

	05-07-2004 23:12									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun And I am going to refer to you as King MWIA.

I don't think we discovered Monarchy yet. So he's still a despot.

Hmmm, after we discover Code of Laws can we try MWIA for warcrimes?

	06-07-2004 06:44									#8
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Only if MWIA makes laws that he breaks... Despot makes the laws right? He probably also is the one making the decision in the case too. I doubt you'd get a conviction.

	06-07-2004 06:56									#9
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We have 3 units, and 3 cities... divide them up between the cities. Gives each something to order around at the start.

	06-07-2004 07:32									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson We have 3 units, and 3 cities... divide them up between the cities. Gives each something to order around at the start.

That's a good idea.

	06-07-2004 07:57									#11
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Accept for who in those cities gets them? And which city gets which unit?

	06-07-2004 08:03									#12
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I would go utilitarian and say DC gets the Worker by it, Serfs gets the Worker by it, and Fuedality gets the Warrior as it already has so many tiles improved.

	06-07-2004 08:22									#13
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okay, that's logical, but which citizens get to 'own' them.

	06-07-2004 08:25									#14
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maybe we could take turns leasing them, for a test drive

	06-07-2004 09:13									#15
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They would be owned by the city itself, until such time as they would be auctioned off by the city. At least that's my understanding of the game.

	06-07-2004 09:37									#16
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Okay, that works. Now we just need to clear up this pillaging issue, and ban it.

	06-07-2004 09:50									#17
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I'm not so sure it needs to be banned. There would be serious reprocussions for anyone who started doing it. Not only would the landowner targetted be pissed off, but so would probably everyone else as it makes all of our positions weaker.

	06-07-2004 09:55									#18
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We should be able to start embargoes if we want!

	06-07-2004 10:12									#19
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Alliances will be formed quite quickly over this. And at the same time deep rifts between us will be caused. I fear that not only will pillaging cause our Mayan civilization to be defeated quite early on, but also will cause some to quit over this. Not to mention the large amoont of animosity that will grow between members. Is it really worth the game dying over?

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Seriously? This is a feudal game, if people are going to quit because other people want to win, they should not have joined in the first place.

	06-07-2004 10:33									#21
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No one can do well in the $feudal game if we lose to the AI. That's pretty simple. We lose the lands, we have nothing.

So part of every landowner's decision making process will have to include the health of our civilization as a whole as well as their own standing in that civilization. I would assume everyone here is smart enough to understand that and plan accordingly.

	06-07-2004 10:36									#22
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quote: No one can do well in the $feudal game if we lose to the AI. That's pretty simple. We lose the lands, we have nothing.

Exactally. And this is all the pillaging will accomplish.

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But why would anyone do it then? Are you saying you would choose to do something that will destroy all chance you have to play? Or are you just assuming the rest of us are a bunch of idiots incapable of determining if pillaging would be beneficial or not to our own cause (which must include the common cause)?

	06-07-2004 11:10									#24
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Fighting between lords is one of the best parts of a feudal game! If I own half of a city, and we have decided that the majority of production of a city gets to choose whats built, pillaging Farb's mine might swing that vote to me.

Yes, it weakens us as a civ, and many people would not resort to that unless something *really* swayed them.

And besides, the AI sucks.

	06-07-2004 15:26									#25
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quote: Originally posted by TORARADICAL okay, that's logical, but which citizens get to 'own' them.

No citizen owns them. They are the property of the city they are assigned to until that city decides to auction it off. Its up to the Town Elder of the city as to whether they want to auction it off.

	08-07-2004 00:17									#26
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Can't the mayority of a city decide to auction the units off too?

	08-07-2004 00:32									#27
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The original concept is that each tile you own in a city's radius gives you 1 vote for the Mayor of that city. And the Mayor is the Despot of that city.

	08-07-2004 00:45									#28
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What happens in the case of a tie? (ie. everyone votes for themselves as mayor of the town(s) they're represented in)

	08-07-2004 00:45									#29
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Ohh.. will that change when we switch from depostism? It would be much more intressting if you got to vote on each matter... and the town elder was more someone collecting the votes and running things that hadn't been voted for....
a little more work would be need to put in, but it would open up for more political manouvers... just a thought tho..

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quote: Originally posted by Aeson What happens in the case of a tie? (ie. everyone votes for themselves as mayor of the town(s) they're represented in)

Two Despots? Sparta style.............

Who says there are no politics in this? I assume each City will have Elder elections at specific intervals (typically monthly). And votes could be gained by promising to have tiles improved, units built, etc.