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Mariola
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Hello everybody, I am quite a newbie, I usually play at king level, standard map, everything else random.
In a recent game (the one I posted some saves just to learn that 1.00 saves are not compatible with 1.22!  ) I had the need to make an intercontinental attack without neither tech lead nor unit number superiority, nor culture lead.
I would like to tell you how I could make a succesful D-day, also because I searched a bit in the forum and could not find discussion about the strategy for such situation.
The invasion happened by the end of industrial age, and IMHO without transport any serious sea attack, against strong enemies is impossible.
I hope to contribute a little to the discussion, so here is my strategy, I called it "the killing fields".
FIRST STEP
I carefully choosed the place for the first strike (my "omaha beach"), a coastal city on a hill and surrounded by hills, I know that an attack against a hill is harder, but I was interested in the defensive bonus after my conquest.
SECOND STEP
Building the invasion force:
-2 armies of marines and 2 more transports full of marines to take the city (size 12, 4 inf inside)
-3 armies of infantry for the defense after the first turn
-5 more transports of infantry for further defense
-2 transports of cavalry for counterattacks (I had not yet the tanks)
about 15 naval units to defend the transports
about 70 bombers
1 worker! (essential)
I took me from 1900 to 1950 to build the force
It should have been better to have also artillery, but I did not want to delay the attack.
THIRD STEP
D-day
first I caught the city (a very nice target, with forbidden palace and Magellan) without bombing it (I needed bombardment for later), the armies were enough
Then I landed all the forces in the city
Then with the worker I built an airbase on the coast beside the city, the reason was that I feared a flip, and I did not want to lose my invasion force.
I let all the marines, including armies, and an army of infantry in the city, and moved all the other units in the airbase, moved also all the bombers in the airbase.
With the ship bombardment I broke the communications between the captured city and the enemy, making a "killing field" of one tile of hills without roads all around my beach head (artillery should have done this easier, with a 2-tiles belt)
FOURTH STEP
Counterattack
The enemy counterattacked me with all his forces, but all his 1 or 2 mov units stopped in the killing fields, only cavalry could reach my units (the AI bombed the airbase, but attacked the city with ground units, how dumb!)
The AI had just about 20 bombers, that did not make heavy damages, and his cavalry had a very bad time against the armies fortified in a hill city.
FIFTH STEP
the killing fields
My turn.
All my bombers attack the stacks lying in the killing fields, making a great havoc!!!
Most of his best units (inf, tanks) were badly damaged, and also some of the obsolete ones that were also sent to attack.
so in the next turn the best AI units retired to heal, while the obsolete ones attacked...
In my next turn I get rid of AI older units with bombers, and later the waves of healed modern units were weaker in number and easier to bomb to the death...
in 5-6 turns the once proud forces of Inca empire were just history, and the destruction of the empire only a problem of time.
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Mariola
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quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
If I understand correctly, you destroyed the roads in your new territory around the city? Why? |
1) I had an airbase beside the city, and so some of the roads weren't in my territory
2) I was behind in culture (only 1 wonder built, plus 4-5 conquered, all the others of my enemy), and I feared a very quick flip, for this reason I put most ofmy forces in the airbase, and my strategy could work even in case of flip.
3) at the beginning I had planned to land all the troops and then abandon the city (always for flip danger), during the game I decided to try to keep it, and it did not flip
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Mariola
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Originally posted by vmxa1
A modern age invasion on C3C should be harder as the lethal bombardment can be rough on ships. |
Yes, in my case the trick has been to begin the war with a surprise attack to the city, I think that everything should have been harder if I had to land during a war.
My Ideas:
1) more ships, as bomber fodder, to take the damage instead of transports (once you have landed and built airbase you can send in units by air, you can even lose the whole fleet)
2) at least 3 or 4 aircraft carriers full of jet always in patrol
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GeorgeWang
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if their capital is within reach of bombers, I like to send a carrier full of bombers and cut off all roads to it. The A.I. relies on sweatheard luxury deals with one another so much it usually sends them into anarchy. If its along a coast, I might chance isolating the capital anyways, with bombers also trying to destroy their harbor.
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Mariola
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quote:
Originally posted by lmtoops
The worker is for an airstrip. More than likely, you'll have plenty of caputured workers, but I suppose you do not want to leave that to chance. |
yes, exactly!
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Dr. A. Cula
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I haven't had many cities flip on me, but from the few I had, it seems that you also lose the units in a radius of 1 square around the city, besides the ones inside.
Also, I have achieved successful landings before getting marines, using only riflemen, cannons and sipahis. It took a huge fleet of galleons to transport that, but in the end this move got me a size 13 (after bombing!) city, with Piramids, Leo's Workshop and 3 other expired ancient wonders.
Of course, there was the little matter of getting my target's 4 neighbours to go to war on my side, but that only cost me some techs and resources/luxuries, plus it meant getting rid of any serious counter-attacks.
This little war propelled me to the position of tech leader from the 3rd or 4th place, while my target went from tech leader (and culture giant, thanks to the city I took!) to being last in everything.
I guess my point is you can avoid a vicious counter-attack (or any kind of counter-attack) with a bit of diplomacy. But make sure you are in a position to achieve your goals, because your allies will not wait for you.
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Vince278
I only station two defensive units inside. I haven't seen anything flip so far this year, I usually have the highest total culture in a game and when I'm on an offensive the frontlines are moving forward fairly quick.  |
Not sure if you've seen the flip calculator that vmxa1 refers to, but if you haven't you should
The number of resisting and non-resisting foreigners in the captured city is clearly a factor in determining the flip chance, but you should get those under control fairly soon with your garrison and through starvation.
Howver, one important factor that will take longer for you to resolve is the number of city tiles under AI influence. If you've just taken the city, you will only have 9 city tiles, and chances are there are several of the 21 tiles radius that are inside AI territory. Until you've built a Temple/Library + 4/5 turns for the culture expansion (hopefully!), this will probably be your biggest flip risk factor!
Please, look at the flip calculator. You will be very surprised. Based on my experience, you will almost certainly be taking a significant risk by stationinig only 2 units inside a captured city on a frontline.
Last edited by Aqualung71 on 10-07-2004 at 20:56
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