07-07-2004 16:47									#1
	Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Increase the size of your Attachments

Why are there ads for Civ III: Gold on this site?

It makes me sad. I had to complain over at CivFanatics as well.

Oh the sad state of fan-run sites when things like this occur.

	07-07-2004 19:05									#2
	Re: Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by dunk Why are there ads for Civ III: Gold on this site? It makes me sad. I had to complain over at CivFanatics as well. Oh the sad state of fan-run sites when things like this occur.

Uh. lets see, cause the site needs revenue, and cause this would seem to be a logical place to advertise a Civ3 product?

	07-07-2004 19:11									#3
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At first I thought it was a complaint against Civ3, then I thought it was a comment that people would already have/know about Civ3 if they were at this site and so wouldn't need the advertising. To be honest I'm still struggling to see the source of discontentment.

They're better than the old adverts we used to have for horny goatweed.

	07-07-2004 19:12									#4
	Inflate your Upload Space

(sigh)

Just.... (sigh)

You are aware that you can still buy Civ III: Not Gold and that Civ III: Gold is a waste of money correct?

	07-07-2004 19:14									#5
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So that's the complaint. I never pay much attention to gold editions. What's the difference?

	07-07-2004 19:20									#6
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He probably wants to say, that if you buy Conquests as well, which contains PtW, the "gold" part of Civ3 gold (= Civ3 + PtW) is wasted and you could get away cheaper buying plain Civ3.

	07-07-2004 19:25									#7
	Put an end to popups!

It's more of a disappointment. I'm not that upset that the ad is there, just that there is no statement saying "Don't buy this, it's crap, buy this (Civ III and Civ III: Conquests) instead and save yourself some money."

I am somewhat saddened that there is a link to buy it on this site and at Civ Fanatics.

I am aware that Civ III: Gold is a poor purchase, but not everyone is. Not everyone who comes to Apolyton takes the time to read through the entire site or even look at the forums (or search them... even a lot of members don't do that).

In reply to Lord of the Mark.... Yes I am aware that the site requires revenue, but there are other ads, the store, and Apolyton Plus to generate it. This isn't my site, so I can't dictate how it is run. But I am a member and I'd like to register my disappointment with the ads for Civ III: Gold.

In reply to Sir Ralph.... Exactly. And Apolyton is leading people to that bad purchase.

I'd also like to say that the ads for the "Play the World" Expansion are also there and that's also a sad thing.

Last edited by dunk on 07-07-2004 at 19:30

	07-07-2004 19:33									#8
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Well, if you decline Conquests, because it's a buggy mess of pre-beta quality, like I do, you still can save money buying Civ3 gold.

	07-07-2004 19:39									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Many bad products are being advertised everywhere. There is no crime in taking the money

As the ole saying goes "buyer beware"

The forums are full of people's "opinions" on the value of specific versions of the many games covered here. Most people that come to this site are looking for information, and find it. If after that, they still want to buy the game... let them

	07-07-2004 19:41									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

If people buy a game because they saw an advertisement for it at this site before they even do some research to find out if people are actually playing that game, then quite frankly they deserve what they get.

	07-07-2004 19:52									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Many bad products are being advertised everywhere. There is no crime in taking the money As the ole saying goes "buyer beware" The forums are full of people's "opinions" on the value of specific versions of the many games covered here. Most people that come to this site are looking for information, and find it. If after that, they still want to buy the game... let them

This just makes me even more sad.

	07-07-2004 20:34									#12
	Re: Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by dunk Why are there ads for Civ III: Gold on this site?

hmmm where?

	07-07-2004 20:46									#13
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and i should add

Oh the sad state of fan-made comments when then complain without explaining what and why they complain about

	07-07-2004 20:50									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

in protest to you terrible (on all levers) way to complain i will not respond further on the issue

	07-07-2004 20:58									#15
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Ming Many bad products are being advertised everywhere. There is no crime in taking the money

How do you sleep at night?

	07-07-2004 21:14									#16
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by MarkG in protest to you terrible (on all levers) way to complain i will not respond further on the issue

How do you sleep at night?

	07-07-2004 21:32									#17
	Tired of ads?

A Deity copying other people's lines
You should be an example of forumpostsquality (finnish for "quality of forums posts"). How do you sleep at night?

	07-07-2004 21:43									#18
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by dunk This just makes me even more sad.

Christ, go eat some Ginko Baloba and get some sun.

	07-07-2004 21:49									#19
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Dauphin How do you sleep at night?

Actually... very comfortably... in a wonderful bed bought by my gains from working in the advertising industry

	07-07-2004 22:01									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by dunk I am aware that Civ III: Gold is a poor purchase, but not everyone is. Not everyone who comes to Apolyton takes the time to read through the entire site or even look at the forums (or search them... even a lot of members don't do that).

People come to this site and dont read the forums, where they could see the accumulated wit and wisdom of the 'poly community - especially my own? This makes me sad.

and they dont post a question about what version to buy, thus denying themselves and all the fine folks who inhabit the Civ3 forums many plus 1's - this makes me even more sad.

	07-07-2004 22:11									#21
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: very comfortably... in a wonderful bed bought by my gains from working in the advertising industry

Ming didn't deny selling 'bad' products.

	07-07-2004 22:18									#22
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Is it just me, or did MarkG pull an Arnelos up there?

	07-07-2004 22:33									#23
	I can't help but be a role model. Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by MarkG A Deity copying other people's lines

In all fairness, he was copying me.

	07-07-2004 22:46									#24
	Re: Re: Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by MarkG hmmm where?

http://apolyton.net/civ3/

Scroll down about one screen's worth on the right hand side. Under the "Get Civ 3 Conquests" ad.

And hell, Thunderfall was at least civil when I complained there.

	08-07-2004 00:10									#25
	Re: Re: Re: Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by dunk http://apolyton.net/civ3/ Scroll down about one screen's worth on the right hand side. Under the "Get Civ 3 Conquests" ad. And hell, Thunderfall was at least civil when I complained there.

some forums are more civil than others

	08-07-2004 00:18									#26
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This is true.

Although, Sir Ralph makes a good point about not wanting to play with the changes Conquests makes to the core game and all of the bugs.

	08-07-2004 01:22									#27
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People who buy a game solely based on an advertisement, before reading reviews and ignoring the vast amount of user comments available on forums such as this are stupid. I.e. what Skanky said.

The ads are here to keep this site running. If you want to read opinions, read the forums. That's what they're for.

If you want to help the dedicated people who run this site (in their spare time!) cover their bills without having to resort to serving ads, get an Apolyton Plus subscription.

Or do you regularly phone up your TV station to complain about all the crap that's being advertised on there too?

	08-07-2004 01:49									#28
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by dunk This is true. Although, Sir Ralph makes a good point about not wanting to play with the changes Conquests makes to the core game and all of the bugs.

btw, my reference to civility was more to this particular area the AC forum, than to 'poly as a whole. I assume youd get a civil answer in the Civ3 forums. AC tends toward the snarky. And I think there have been enough fairly silly attacks on ads here over the years to try any webmasters patience.

	08-07-2004 02:17									#29
	Re: Re: Re: Ack! Ads for Civ III: Gold Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by dunk And hell, Thunderfall was at least civil when I complained there.

allow me to say that you have a peculiar way of
1) how to register a complain to a free volunteer-run site
2) what a civil answer is and isnt

there, i broke my promise....

	08-07-2004 11:06									#30
	Get a bigger avatar today!

You can always take an Apolyton-Plus membership (Markos gives me 2 free plus-days for everytime I mention it don't you Markos? )

Besides that: what's wrong with advertising for civ:gold?
There are billions of people on earth that didn't buy it so far. And I expect EVERYONE who goes to buy something to investigate on what the product will be.

It's a good thing that it is being advertised on a civ-fan site, since it gives millions of possibilities to find out if it's a good thing to buy this product.

I'm a member of a cd-club (you know, such a club in which you have to buy a new cd every 2 months) (or movie)

It says about every movie: "It's a fantastic movie and it's great and one of the best"
It even said that about The Matrix: Reloaded.

On Poly games are being advertised and ciritized.
Welcome in the 21st century!