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Hercules
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in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:33
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The Enigma Enigma:
I am not going to repeat everything that has been said in the other forums. Go read.
But I feel we need to discuss this. There are several issues:
a) Enigma's role as turnplayer.
b) the validity of the turns.
c) the continuance of Enigma as a turnplayer.
d) the continuance of Enigma as a Data Angel.
My initial view is this. The charges against Enigma are irrefutable and he has probably accepted this. However Enigma still is a Data Angel and we knew the risks when we accepted into the ranks. The repeated ACDG3 turns are not challenged, as yet, but some regard the pod pop outcomes as very fortunate.
The Enigma, we know and love here in the Data Angels, knows the game very well and this we regard as a major plus to our challenged faction. OTOH, he is not winning us any potential friends in some factions.
With Kody's Codicil machine, if one of our terraformers even breaks reactivated wind, wrongly in the direction of a Gaian Mindworm, the whole gang will descend on us.
There is also the confidence of the wider ACDG3 community to consider.
In the circumstances, my view is that Enigma should continue as an Angel, advise us (but no playing ahead) and Maki continue as turnplayer.
But this is all up for discussion.
Oh and btw I don't want to see our only 'evening star' princess, leave the forums.
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GeoModder
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The most erratic Overlord!
Jan 2004
time: 06:33
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Aw, appearantly I must be the opener.
Ok, followed most of the allegations for quite a bit this evening.
My point is that for the team it does not matter that Enigma is not the turnplayer, if this helps us to gain goodwill points by the other teams. The planning is the most important, the actual play order can be made as detailed as necessary for any given team player. In short, let Enigma go in covert ops for a while.
The validity of the turns is strictly a CMN mather. If they decide that a turn is not legit, so be it. We have to accept the consequences of that, as we put no real objections to any of the accepted members in our team as far as our knowledge went for the credibility of any of us.
As long as a member not shows blatant misbehaviour, we should not exclude anyone. In light of the allegations, if from a member is shown he has cheated in this ACDG, I'll vote for removal. Things like the flame war between Enigma and Obstructor are open to a point of view, but would better be avoided IMO. It takes only one to stop.
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Enigma_Nova
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As you say, it's the plan that's more important than the play.
Though this will result in a slower turn time. :/
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:33
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I'm sorry if I offended you Herc. I removed it because I received complaints from a few people, who thought it was pressurising HongHu to come back unduly, and who wanted the whole matter to be over, so we could get one with playing. We all want HongHu back, and many of us have told her, but I, and a few other people, felt that poll was a step too far in terms of pressure.
I'm sorry if I offended, that was not the intention at all, and I do not intend to be forceful or jumpy, but I was asked to remove it, and I agreed with the points raised.
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