09-07-2004 03:26									#1
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September Cabinet:


Consul -

Foreign Minister -
Minister of War -
Minister of Science -
Minister of Trade -
City Planner -

Last edited by cavebear on 04-09-2004 at 04:41

	04-09-2004 06:45									#2
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Ben? This droid said that he once belonged an Obiwan. Do you know him?


Um Sparrow and Kenobi sent me.

	04-09-2004 08:03									#3
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The recommendation of Sparrowhawk and Ben Kenobi is valued...

	04-09-2004 08:50									#4
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So pick a spot.

And where is Sparrow?

	04-09-2004 08:51									#5
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I'm nominating myself for the position of Consul.

	04-09-2004 17:25									#6
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First of all which Cabinet thread should we be in, "September 2004 Cabinet" or "September Cabinet"?

Next is there a quick rules set for Demo games that I could read up on? An old thread?

My pick. Give me science or trade.

	05-09-2004 05:57									#7
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quote: First of all which Cabinet thread should we be in, "September 2004 Cabinet" or "September Cabinet"?

The topped thread.

As for the rules, best advice is to dig through the forum, looking at the threads for our rules.

We don't have a constitution, which has served us well in the past, because it allows us to make changes should an issue arise, and it means that we don't spend endless time debating over the rules.

Sort of a British Democracy game then.

	05-09-2004 06:11									#8
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Generally, what has happened, in the past, is that everybody must stand for election, once they have all nominated themselves.

We have separate elections for each position, contested positions have each candidate running against each other, and against the banana.

Uncontested positions also run against the banana, and they must beat the banana in order to be elected. This way, people who do not want a candidate to serve, can vote banana.

Once the elections have been confirmed, they generally run 3 days, but I will probably lengthen the period to 5 depending on how much support we get.

Then once the elections are over, and everyone is nominated, we can play a round.

The president plays the round with the advice of his ministers. Each minister picks a subject to poll on. In a poll, however the people vote must be followed by the president, unless a compelling reason forces him to disregard the request.

If two polls conflict with each other, the president decides which will take precedence. For both of these reasons, science has the easiest job of polling, as they only have to ask which technology we want right now, and then, which path should be followed.

New polls take priority over old polls, to reflect changing conditions.

For the other positions, foreign minister polls often deal with whom shall we declare war, or whether we should seek peace with a nation whom we are at war.

Military and cityplanner are more important positions, that often have the biggest effect from polls. There are a great variety of polls in both categories, they can overlap, in the military advisor requesting a poll for increased troop builds, and for what troops he would like to build, or for approval of a military plan. The cityplanner, could also poll on whether we should focus on improvements or troops.

	05-09-2004 06:21									#9
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Ministers also file reports, publicly or privately. Private reports arrive by PM to the president, and what they do is offer the suggestions and recommendations to the president as to what should be done. Again, the president will take these recommendations into consideration, and should act accordng to his ministers. Sometimes though, a president will find conflicting orders, and then have to act as he feels best.

The public reports come after the president posts the latest turnset. Each minister reports on his specific area, be it diplomacy or military, etc.

The president's job is to play the game according to the polls, and the recommendations of his ministers. As such, he tends to face plenty of public scrutiny for his actions.

Now, there can also be a vice-president who takes over for the president, should the president drop the game. We haven't had the players for some time to work with a proper vice president. The VP also calls the elections at the end of each term.

Each term lasts 1 month, and no player should serve more than 3 consecutive months. This is to reduce player fatigue, but has needed to be amended as the situation arises.

Also, one big change has been the posting of the save. In the past, only the presidents and the ministers got the save, where all the plebians got the screenshots that showed the progress of the game. I liked that rule, and I would like to see that rule return, because it forces the ministers to provide better reports, and the same with the president.

Please, I ask the vets to add their own comments to the rules, as I have not been here from the beginning, and I may have left stuff out.

	05-09-2004 22:19									#10
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Actually, the "topped" thread is for listing the current month administration for reference. Nominations and discussions should be in a regular (non-topped) thread.

But keep using this thread and I'll unstick it so it becomes a normal thread. When the elections are held and the results settled, I'll make a new topped thread for reference and lock it.

	06-09-2004 00:34									#11
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Good job with the rules and procedures. I hope you will reconsider this part though.

quote: Also, one big change has been the posting of the save. In the past, only the presidents and the ministers got the save, where all the plebians got the screenshots that showed the progress of the game. I liked that rule, and I would like to see that rule return, because it forces the ministers to provide better reports, and the same with the president.

At a time where lack of interest has been the greatest problem, why would you want to restrict folk from seeing the game??

Monk

	06-09-2004 00:53									#12
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Even posting the save didn't seem to revive interest in the game.

I don't mind continuing to post the save, I just think that it makes it harder to recruit miinisters since anyone can see the save.

	06-09-2004 01:10									#13
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Well, I could be wrong (again ), but I think the game went fallow for the lack of someone who felt qualified to lead AND had the time to run things. But, if it were a choice between you taking the lead or seeing the save, I most definitely want you or someone to take charge.

Monk

	06-09-2004 18:31									#14
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Excellent update on the rules. Hopefully you'll nominate me for the science post. That was I can play and not screw up too badly in my first position.

	06-09-2004 23:54									#15
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Read the rules.

We nominate ourselves for the position that we desire, and then the election starts.

So if you want the science position, "Ask and ye shall receive."

	07-09-2004 00:09									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Well, I could be wrong (again ), but I think the game went fallow for the lack of someone who felt qualified to lead AND had the time to run things. But, if it were a choice between you taking the lead or seeing the save, I most definitely want you or someone to take charge. Monk

I agree completely. I realized that I had gotten into a situation I had little experience with AND had little idea how to get out of. I was too focussed on the problem of the Zulu ships.

But my efforts to get someone else to take over failed in 2 successive months. Finally, to attempt to force a change in leadership, I withdrew from the game entirely (and the RL reasons were true also). If we have players available now to lead us in a new direction, I will be very relieved and eager to see the game continue.

	07-09-2004 01:44									#17
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quote: But my efforts to get someone else to take over failed in 2 successive months.

I would have, but I was in no shape to take over during the summer, without a reliable internet connection.

Now I do.

I just wished someone else would have stepped up so we could have continued the game.

	08-09-2004 04:39									#18
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If you feel currently able to fill a Cabinet position, step up and annnounce it. It appears the game is being resurrected, so this is an opportunity.

At the moment, it seems we have Ben Kenobi announcing as Consul and skrobism as Science Minister. I am willing to stand as Foreign Minister.

With a City-Planner and a Minister of War, I think there would be a viable government. The Leader (Consul at the moment) always has the option of seeking volunteers or doing some jobs him/her self.

In other words, if the announced candidate for Consul is willing to go with the announced candidates for Cabinet at any time, I will post election polls and he/she can handle the rest. There has been enough time for candidates to step forward.

In other other words, if Ben Kenobi is ready to seek election on the basis of announced candidates, I will post election polls.

It is time for the game to continue with whomever we have.

	08-09-2004 04:47									#19
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quote: In other other words, if Ben Kenobi is ready to seek election on the basis of announced candidates, I will post election polls.

I want to see a military advisor and a cityplanner, since those are the two most important cabinet ministers, and I am willing to wait for volunteers to step forward into those two positions.

If we do not get a volunteer for either of the positions within three days, then I am willing to stand without them.

	08-09-2004 05:06									#20
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OK, that answers my question in the other thread.

We will wait 3 days then? You drive a hard bargain. Three days seems like water-drip torture though.

I understand the fight against the Sioux, and I can serve as Minister of War in that regard if no one else will.

So we just need a City-Planner. MWIA? Bloody Monk? Hydey? Anyone? If someone wants to be Minister of War, I'll switch to City-Planner.

	08-09-2004 08:00									#21
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Well, 3 days?

If you have another suggestion, then we can do that.

I just wanted to make sure that those who are interested in starting up the new session will be able to participate.

Plus, I should be off on Friday for the weekend, so I would be able to play a session then.

That's the reasoning.

	08-09-2004 08:12									#22
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OK, Friday sounds fine.

	11-09-2004 05:20									#23
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Friday's here.

Are there no other candidates?

If so, then I will give cavebear the cityplanner position and skrobism the military position.

Let's start the elections.

	11-09-2004 05:28									#24
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I thought for sure MWIA at least and maybe Heydey would join in somewhere. But I will post the election polls now.

	14-09-2004 00:51									#25
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Hmm, it occurs to me I went from volunteering for Foreign Minister to being a City-Planner candidate without quite noticing it... LOL! Que la guerre...

	14-09-2004 17:52									#26
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear I thought for sure MWIA at least and maybe Heydey would join in somewhere. But I will post the election polls now.

Uk! Sorry, missed it. Perhaps just as well, as I am now Consul (read: turnplayer, policy setter, responsible for discussing with other teams etc) for BOTH Apolyton Intersite Civ3 DGs at the same time!

Nevertheless, I will keep coming here and posting my thoughts, as long as I have something to post a thought on.

* MrWhereItsAt still hopes one day for free save access

Thanks obiwan and cavey for rebooting this game. And cheers to skrobism and others for standing up to help!