12-07-2004 23:40									#1
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Has anyone tried the barbarian hordes strategy ? At the start of the game build about six warriors and set them off as a stack. Then when you encounter a civ either conquer it or do as much damage as possible.

	13-07-2004 00:37									#2
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Warrior rushes are fairly rare, especially above emperor.

	13-07-2004 13:00									#3
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I agree with vxma, the AI will have spears and bow by the time you get anywhere near them

	13-07-2004 21:46									#4
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Tiny Pangaea, Vanilla or PTW, Aztecs.

	15-07-2004 12:28									#5
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By building six of anything early you're killing yourself by not building other things.

	15-07-2004 15:25									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 By building six of anything early you're killing yourself by not building other things. __________________ "I like encouraging people to use their heads, whether they like it or not." - Vince278, Apolyton OT Forum

If I started out on a tiny pangea next to you and picked Aztecs, six warriors is probably a really good idea especially if you have a spearman. (if no spearman, 3 or 4 should do)
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	16-07-2004 11:50									#7
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Walls are a big help. So is the city defense bonus. My point is that if you don't take me out then I'm leaving you in the dust. However, I may try this in a game just to see what happens.

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	16-07-2004 14:38									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 (Thanks for enlarging my sig line, most people miss the point. )

No problem at all, it was my pleasure, really.

	16-07-2004 17:17									#9
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The problem is that on difficulties higher then Regent, AI start with several units, so it's not possibile to do effective super early rush.

But in MP...

	10-08-2004 09:18									#10
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But in MP...

quote: The problem is that on difficulties higher then Regent, AI start with several units, so it's not possibile to do effective super early rush.

Even so, why not quickly research warrior code and rush them with archers?? I would imaging that you would have better luck with a mixed archer/warrior rush than with pure warriors.

ie. Archers to score quick kills, warriors to provide cheep defense and mopping up of workers etc.

	10-08-2004 17:36									#11
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Of course your early SOD has to find the AI first. You could march them around for centuries and find nothing but barbarians harassing your stack.

	10-08-2004 20:37									#12
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator Of course your early SOD has to find the AI first. You could march them around for centuries and find nothing but barbarians harassing your stack.

It would be better to keep your options open and not totally commit to the SOD.

	10-08-2004 21:03									#13
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Speaking of looking for the AI, I have a vague memory of a few games in vanilla civIII where I started with a civ right on top of me and rushing it.

That is something I have not seen in a long time on a std map.

	10-08-2004 22:16									#14
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If you have a lot of water and pangea, it's not too hard to find the AI quickly.

	10-08-2004 23:51									#15
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You can do significant damage with a Warrior rush on Monarch difficulty and below. It's not really clear whether this is better than rushing a little later with Archers. I prefer Archers because you rarely lose them if you set things up right, while with Warriors its always about attrition.

I would not recommend a Warrior rush on Emperor, unless you're feeling rather lucky. I'm sure you can make it work once or twice, but in those cases you could always do better with Archers instead.

On Demigod and above, wait for Sworsdmen.

In PBEM MP, this sounds like a great strat in theory, but in practice is difficult to pull off. You have to:

1. Find your opponent very quickly.
2. Get your Warriors to his/her capital quickly.
3. Hope the left his/her capital with few defenses.
4. Hope the capital does not have many Shields accumulated so that it cannot switch to an Archer/Spearmen.
5. Gamble that someone else does not drop by your undefended capital.

However, the payoff is amazing: you've taken another player out of the game in the first 40 turns, and therefore have that much more land to expand into.

	11-08-2004 01:22									#16
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...where someone else is already expanding.

	11-08-2004 02:20									#17
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Good point.

Then again, if you're close enough to Warrior-rush player A, you're probably closer to A than B is to A. This means you'll have more military units roaming around the conquered area, and your Settlers will have less distance to cover.

Also, if your neighbor is on the coast, there's no player B to benefit from your offensive. Or, if you're on the coast, you may not have anywhere else to expand to, and giving B some extra land is worth the cost.

	11-08-2004 02:51									#18
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quote: Then again, if you're close enough to Warrior-rush player A, you're probably closer to A than B is to A.

How do you figure that?

	11-08-2004 05:59									#19
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Well, if you're close enough to Warrior-rush, you're closer than usual (the map generator sometimes places some starting locations closer/further to/from each other). So the chances that another player is even closer is lower.

	13-08-2004 00:38									#20
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A friend of mine regularly uses a warrior rush (typically 6) on Monarch against the AI. Works for him.

I don't like it, because of the attrition Dom mentioned and also because it mucks up my REX preparations and my early research (support costs). I'd rather do a settler bop, get some tech out of them and then come back for more later with archers, horses or swords.

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	13-08-2004 22:07									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Well, if you're close enough to Warrior-rush, you're closer than usual (the map generator sometimes places some starting locations closer/further to/from each other). So the chances that another player is even closer is lower.

I'd think that if you were closer than usual, most people would be closer than usual.

	13-08-2004 22:11									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae 1. Find your opponent very quickly. 2. Get your Warriors to his/her capital quickly. 3. Hope the left his/her capital with few defenses. 4. Hope the capital does not have many Shields accumulated so that it cannot switch to an Archer/Spearmen. 5. Gamble that someone else does not drop by your undefended capital.

And that someone else droping by just might be the player you are rushing! (Varient of classic two fleets passing in the night destroying both sides capitals and leaving nothing but fleets.)

	14-08-2004 01:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I'd think that if you were closer than usual, most people would be closer than usual.

Maybe, but the odds are that if you are close to A and can warrior rush it, no one else is even closer than you are to A.

Now if we are talking about a tiny map, that may not hold.

	14-08-2004 07:09									#24
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Most times, if you're that close, it probably is a tiny map.

	21-08-2004 19:26									#25
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I took out the Scandinavians on a tiny Pangaea by turn twelve, once. Aztecs, PTW.

	23-08-2004 10:28									#26
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How many players on the map?