17-07-2004 20:31									#1
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The winning option was 6.


OPTION ONE
A Settler unit has 8 shares which can be bid on. These shares get ownership of the first eight tiles brought into the civlizations cultural influence. Precedence will be given according to the bid price with the individual with the highest winning bid getting first choice, the second highest winning bid getting second choice and so on.


OPTION TWO -(4 votes)
A Settler unit has 8 shares which can be bid on. These shares get ownership of the first eight tiles brought into the civlizations cultural influence. Precedence will be given according to the bid price with the individual with the highest winning bid getting first choice, the second highest winning bid getting second choice and so on.

Four of the shares are the property of the city that builds the Settler and may be auctioned off or assigned as the city sees fit.

Four of the shares are the property of the central government and may be auctioned off or held in order for the tiles to be used later for auction or for new players to choose as their first tile as the central government sees fit.
-Esoteric
-Jonny
-=OttomusCeasar=
-Bismarck2990

OPTION THREE
Settler is auctioned off. The winning bidder gets control of the Settler and the central tile the city is on as their tile. All other tiles are auctioned off as normal.



OPTION FOUR -(1 vote)
Settler is auctioned off and owns all tiles in its initial radius. There are no shares whoever gets the Settler gets control and all the initial radius squares. Most probably one person will suggest a city site and will get other players to pool money to win the Settler and they will then move to the city site and divide the tiles accordingly. Kind of like a Colony Covenant during the colonial era, they would have a specific area they proposed to found it and then drummed up money and resources to found the colony.
- GhengisFarb


OPTION FIVE -(1 vote)
The city that builds the Settler chooses the proposed site for the new city (the citizens of that city could vote on sites, etc.) The inital tiles in that proposed site are then auctioned off as shares. With half the shares being auctioned off by the City and half being held/auctioned off by the central government. If there is an odd number of tiles the City gets the larger half of shares.
- General Locus


OPTION SIX -(6 votes)
A Settler unit has 8 shares which can be bid on. These shares get ownership of the first eight tiles brought into the civlizations cultural influence. Precedence will be given according to the bid price with the individual with the highest winning bid getting first choice, the second highest winning bid getting second choice and so on.

Six of the shares are the property of the city that builds the Settler and may be auctioned off or assigned as the city sees fit.

Two of the shares are the property of the central government and may be auctioned off or held in order for the tiles to be used later for auction or for new players to choose as their first tile as the central government sees fit.
-mrmitchell
-TORARADICAL
-Aeson
-Makahlua
-Uber KruX
-Thrumble


If you have an alternate Option, please post it and it will be added above. Citizens are allowed to vote for ONE option but may change that vote to another option until the poll is over.
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	17-07-2004 20:56									#2
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I vote you are insane for not making this an actual poll and allowing us to change votes.

I vote for option 2 as it seems the most balanced. I would change my vote to option 6 "Aeson gets all shares of every Settler" if there is any chance it will pass though!

	17-07-2004 21:04									#3
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quote: A Settler unit has 8 shares which can be bid on. These shares get ownership of the first eight tiles brought into the civlizations cultural influence. Precedence will be given according to the bid price with the individual with the highest winning bid getting first choice, the second highest winning bid getting second choice and so on. Four of the shares are the property of the city that builds the Settler and may be auctioned off or assigned as the city sees fit. Four of the shares are the property of the central government and may be auctioned off or held in order for the tiles to be used later for auction or for new players to choose as their first tile as the central government sees fit.

... and what happens to the other tiles that fall within' the city radius, either when it is built (due to being inproximity to other cities' culture) or when its culture expands???"

I realize that these tiles would not fall under jurisdiction of the settler.... but it's conceivable that when a city is built it will have more than 8 tiles... will these extra tiles be auctioned off by the central government at large... or by the mayor of the new city??? neither??

	17-07-2004 21:13									#4
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Yes, all other tiles are the property of the Central Government.

	17-07-2004 22:28									#5
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How do we choose which tiles are Federal and which are city owned?

	17-07-2004 22:30									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX How do we choose which tiles are Federal and which are city owned?

Could you be more specific? I thought each of the options spelled that part out. Cities don't own any tiles, the central government owns all tiles not owned by the players.

	17-07-2004 23:31									#7
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Ok, so lemme see if I understand this correctly, with respect to options 2 and 5, if the first 4 tiles can be auctioned off by the city that builds the settler.... does that mean that the city would be allowed to open the auction to only members of that city... is that allowable???

If that's the case, then I vote for option # 5. If the city that builds a worker gets control of the worker, then the city that builds the settler, should also be able to control the settler as well... or at least where he goes... and having 4 tiles to that city and all the rest to the central government creates a nice balance.

my vote is for #5

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	17-07-2004 23:57									#8
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Suggestion SIX

Just like Option 2, but 6 tiles go to the city instead of 4, with only 2 going to the central government.

	18-07-2004 00:00									#9
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Suggestion SIX Just like Option 2, but 6 tiles go to the city instead of 4, with only 2 going to the central government.

Why don't you vote for 2 with 6 going to the city and 2 the central government. Then if 2 wins we can have a runoff over the allocation amount.

	18-07-2004 00:10									#10
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Who voted for option 4???

edit: Nevermind... I did not see that...

Last edited by General Locus on 18-07-2004 at 00:30

	18-07-2004 00:14									#11
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I vote for option #2.

	18-07-2004 01:43									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Could you be more specific? I thought each of the options spelled that part out. Cities don't own any tiles, the central government owns all tiles not owned by the players.

I shall provide examples that will actually come up in the near future:

Feudality builds a settler, and proceeds to settle "the western suburb", as per our current plans. Due to the fact that it is a coastal city, there will be only be 2 tiles within the city radius that are purely owned by the suburb, and one "split tile" between Feudality and the suburb.

1. Is the split tile considered to be owned by the suburb in terms of being able to be auctioned off?

2. If there are less than 8 tiles, how many player owned vs. state owned are there?

3. How, exactly, do we determine who gets what tiles, assuming all 3 were able to be auctioned off? Do we all say our bids, and the richest simply gets to pick? I'm only going to have $18 or so, which is fairly good for this time. Could I bid that $18, which no one has a hope of matching, and claim any of the tiles? Is there some sort of "minimum bid" or something? What if no players can reach it?

Now, lets say we were going to colonize somewhere with 8 full tiles.

1. How do we determine which 4 are player owned? Do the players pick them, and then the remaining 4 are state-owned?

2. What if two bids are equal? Who gets first pick?

And finally, What about the other tiles that will eventually be in the city's radius? Are those to be auctioned off normally? How many will be state-controlled?

	18-07-2004 02:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX I shall provide examples that will actually come up in the near future: Feudality builds a settler, and proceeds to settle "the western suburb", as per our current plans. Due to the fact that it is a coastal city, there will be only be 2 tiles within the city radius that are purely owned by the suburb, and one "split tile" between Feudality and the suburb.

It depends on which option win, with option 2 ahead I would assume 1 share could be auctioned off by city and one share auctioned off by the central government. The highest bidder between the two getting first pick.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX 1. Is the split tile considered to be owned by the suburb in terms of being able to be auctioned off?

The split tile is already owned by the central government so it wouldn't be availble as a share choice.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX 2. If there are less than 8 tiles, how many player owned vs. state owned are there?

They would be split evenly with the City getting the larger half if it is an odd number of tiles.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX 3. How, exactly, do we determine who gets what tiles, assuming all 3 were able to be auctioned off? Do we all say our bids, and the richest simply gets to pick? I'm only going to have $18 or so, which is fairly good for this time. Could I bid that $18, which no one has a hope of matching, and claim any of the tiles? Is there some sort of "minimum bid" or something? What if no players can reach it?

There isn't a minimum bid on shares in a Settler so if you had the highest bid you would win.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX Now, lets say we were going to colonize somewhere with 8 full tiles. 1. How do we determine which 4 are player owned? Do the players pick them, and then the remaining 4 are state-owned?

Exactly.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX 2. What if two bids are equal? Who gets first pick?

I guess you have them bid against each other for first pick.

quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX And finally, What about the other tiles that will eventually be in the city's radius? Are those to be auctioned off normally? How many will be state-controlled?

All will be state owned. The state will auction off most of them eventually.

	18-07-2004 04:39									#14
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I like Option #2, it seems the simplest and most balanced

	18-07-2004 04:46									#15
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Should we create a "Bureau of land managment" guild that determines when/if a tile is auctioned off by the federal government? Or is it going to be done by elected officers?

I guess what I'm asking is: "What is the Federal Government?"

	18-07-2004 05:06									#16
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I vote for Option 6.

	18-07-2004 06:24									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson Should we create a "Bureau of land managment" guild that determines when/if a tile is auctioned off by the federal government? Or is it going to be done by elected officers? I guess what I'm asking is: "What is the Federal Government?"

In the $MiniGame we elected a Land Assayer who was responsible. So far I've been setting it up but we should elect someone to do it.

	18-07-2004 06:35									#18
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I'll do it. And if we go with electing one, I hereby announce my campaign for it.

	18-07-2004 07:48									#19
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I like Option 2.

	18-07-2004 10:14									#20
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I'll switch my vote to option 6.

	18-07-2004 10:42									#21
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OPTION SIX

Which is "OPTION 2" with 6-2 split, as Ghengiepoo condoned above. If there is a tie between the two, there will be a runoff, as Ghengins agreed to.

	18-07-2004 18:57									#22
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Option 2.

	18-07-2004 21:13									#23
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After I slept on it, and reread it with a clearer head, I've decided to switch to #6

	18-07-2004 23:42									#24
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option 6.

The state already gets 12 tiles outside the initial culture border, why do they need 16?

	20-07-2004 11:43									#25
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#6.

	20-07-2004 12:11									#26
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so it's a 3:1 split, utilizing option 6 (which is a clear winner).

What if there are only two biddable tiles? Are both city, or is 1 federal?

	20-07-2004 18:30									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX so it's a 3:1 split, utilizing option 6 (which is a clear winner). What if there are only two biddable tiles? Are both city, or is 1 federal?

1 City and 1 Feudal. The central governement won't get as many tiles due to overlap also.

	21-07-2004 00:06									#28
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Option #2 seems best to me.

	26-07-2004 17:05									#29
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Considering all the issues we're having perhaps we should include a rule that no one may make their tile picks from a tile that would be in a previous existing city's radius without the approval of that city's citizens.

That would solve the problem of one city trying to take over another city and also insure that tiles are continually opened up for the federal government. If we allow new cities to canibalize the tiles from existing cities there won't be that many tiles left for the federal government to sell off.

	26-07-2004 23:04									#30
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quote: Considering all the issues we're having perhaps we should include a rule that no one may make their tile picks from a tile that would be in a previous existing city's radius without the approval of that city's citizens.

I am not too sure about that. Open tiles are open tiles.

If this is a feudal game then the competition between cities, nobles, land owners, etc, is what it is. If a city sends a settler in to an overlap situation and the nobles invested in that settler gain influence in said city, then good for them. But doesn't that same scenario give the nobles of the existing, victim-of-the-overlap city the same bonus of influence in the new city?

The only limitation I would suggest for settlers would be to have the initial tile ownership (of those who invested in the settler) limited to the 8 tiles around the city core. Tiles that were gained because a city is placed near a border of another city and had the radius of both expand could be the same tiles that became part of the national fund until a later date.

And, out of curiousity if I wanted to buy a tile in another existing city, I can yes? So for me to gain some influence in Feudality or the Asylum, I don't need a settler do I. I just need to get more real estate.