19-07-2004 08:43									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Damn... I guess we should lock up a lot of men who worked in offices with women in the 50s and 60s (ie, slapping on the butt).

You don't find that kind of sexual harrassment worthy of contempt? I sure do.

quote: And I guess sex criminal Bill Clinton should be locked up as well.

What sex crime? The only thing we know for sure is that he fooled around with women who consented, which is hardly the same thing.

	19-07-2004 08:50									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You don't find that kind of sexual harrassment worthy of contempt? I sure do. What sex crime? The only thing we know for sure is that he fooled around with women who consented, which is hardly the same thing.

supposedly he fooled around as governor. exposed himself etc. He was never convicted of course, but neither was Arnold.

	19-07-2004 08:52									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You don't find that kind of sexual harrassment worthy of contempt? I sure do.

This statement combined with the defense of Clinton confuses me.

	19-07-2004 08:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident supposedly he fooled around as governor. exposed himself etc. He was never convicted of course, but neither was Arnold.

Arnold admitted it, remember?

	19-07-2004 08:57									#35
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quote: You don't find that kind of sexual harrassment worthy of contempt?

Contempt = criminal?

quote: The only thing we know for sure is that he fooled around with women who consented, which is hardly the same thing.

Oh, come on, you don't seriously believe this, do you? All these women say that he groped them and they are all "nuts and sluts" (to use the Clinton defense against the allegations).

	19-07-2004 08:57									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc This statement combined with the defense of Clinton confuses me.

Clinton is an adulterer, but I don't buy what Paula Jones said. She has tremendous credibility problems of her own.

But then again, this isn't about Clinton, it's about Schwarzenegger.

	19-07-2004 09:05									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Contempt = criminal?

I was being hyperbolic, certainly. After all, if Arnie can do it (since we know those legislators aren't literally "girlie-men," which I suppose would be hermaphradites), so can I.

But the point is that, given Arnie's past history with sleazy, sexist behavior, I don't see why anyone should be surprised by the comment.

quote: Oh, come on, you don't seriously believe this, do you?

Believe that "The only thing we know for sure is that he fooled around with women who consented?" Um, yeah, because it's a fact...unless you were there at the time and know something we all don't?

quote: All these women say that he groped them and they are all "nuts and sluts" (to use the Clinton defense against the allegations).

Curiously, the same defense envoked by Schwarzenegger...but that's besides the point. "All these women?" I'm only aware of two, Jones and the woman who claimed something happened in the WH. And neither were particularly credible, IMO. Especially not the latter one.

	19-07-2004 09:07									#38
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I think Boris dips his pen in the company ink. It's the only way I can explain his defense of a boss that has sex with his employees.

	19-07-2004 09:30									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I think Boris dips his pen in the company ink. It's the only way I can explain his defense of a boss that has sex with his employees.

And you are defending a man who admitted to sexual harassments.

	19-07-2004 09:32									#40
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I think you got DD on that one, UR.

	19-07-2004 09:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It's the only way I can explain his defense of a boss that has sex with his employees.

And where did I defend his having sexual relations with Lewinsky? I only stated that wasn't the same thing as sexual harrassment (Monica was more than willing, after all).

	19-07-2004 09:35									#42
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She was so willing she had her mouth opened wider than usual.

	19-07-2004 09:42									#43
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but...but...they ARE girlie men!

Isn't truth still the ultimate defence?

	19-07-2004 09:45									#44
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quote: "All these women?" I'm only aware of two, Jones and the woman who claimed something happened in the WH. And neither were particularly credible, IMO. Especially not the latter one.

Paula Jones, Katherine Willy, Juanita Broadrick... so you suscribe to the 'nuts and sluts' I see? When a woman makes an allegation about being groped, especially by a famous person, where her whole life will be dragged through the mud (look what they did to Paula Jones), I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

	19-07-2004 09:46									#45
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Jennifer Flowers...

	19-07-2004 10:03									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger And you are defending a man who admitted to sexual harassments.

Who am I suppossed to be defending again?

	19-07-2004 10:04									#47
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Does DD ever defend anyone, really?

	19-07-2004 10:07									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Paula Jones, Katherine Willy, Juanita Broadrick... so you suscribe to the 'nuts and sluts' I see? When a woman makes an allegation about being groped, especially by a famous person, where her whole life will be dragged through the mud (look what they did to Paula Jones), I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton had sex with Jones and Broadrick (Willey was obviously making **** up, IMO--I don't think Clinton ever touched her), but I seriously doubt the allegations of any force on his part. Indeed, Broadrick failed a polygraph test on the issue of being raped. She also filed an affidavit about the matter claiming it never happened, only to change her story later.

And again, this is all unproven. Arnie's gropes are known fact.

	19-07-2004 10:08									#49
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I am sorry, I just keep imagining him saying that with his accent, and start laughing.... lol:

	19-07-2004 10:11									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Jennifer Flowers...

Which was unquestionably consentual...

	19-07-2004 10:12									#51
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quote: I seriously doubt the allegations of any force on his part. Indeed, Broadrick failed a polygraph test on the issue of being raped.

Why? "Nuts and Sluts"? Are they all lying? And you do know of the reliability, or should I say unreliability of polygraph tests, right? For example, they aren't allowed to be used in a court of law.

	19-07-2004 10:18									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why? "Nuts and Sluts"? Are they all lying? And you do know of the reliability, or should I say unreliability of polygraph tests, right? For example, they aren't allowed to be used in a court of law.

That wasn't the only thing damaging her credibility (i.e. the affidavit). Notice that the allegations against Clinton didn't come out until the impeachment affair was going on, and people came out of the woodwork. The same thing happened to Arnie, if you'll recall. At least a dozen women coming out and alleging things from harrassment to sexual assault to rape. Do you hold them to the same standard?

An if polygraph tests are so unreliable, why do prosecutors (like Ken Starr, who wanted Clinton to so one) like to use them so much? Maybe because they're a useful tool, even if inadmissable? Lots of evidence is inadmissable, doesn't mean it's useless or completely unreliable.

Regardless, this isn't about Clinton. Clinton is an alleged sex offender, certainly. But Arnie is an admitted one.

	19-07-2004 10:20									#53
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But you used the word criminal, meaning should be locked up. Just pointing out that if you thought that about Arnie, there would be plenty of others who'd be joining them, including, IMO, our former President.

	19-07-2004 10:22									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But you used the word criminal, meaning should be locked up. Just pointing out that if you thought that about Arnie, there would be plenty of others who'd be joining them, including, IMO, our former President.

Try reading next time.

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I was being hyperbolic, certainly. After all, if Arnie can do it (since we know those legislators aren't literally "girlie-men," which I suppose would be hermaphradites), so can I. But the point is that, given Arnie's past history with sleazy, sexist behavior, I don't see why anyone should be surprised by the comment.

	19-07-2004 10:30									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am sorry, I just keep imagining him saying that with his accent, and start laughing.... lol:

Yup, that and the fact that Arnie is so thick that he still hasn't figured out the joke is on him.

	19-07-2004 10:32									#56
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Arnie won by a ****ing landslide as a Republican in the most liberal state in the union. I think the joke is on those who doubt him.

	19-07-2004 10:47									#57
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The Democrats should point out that body building makes your equipment look tiny.

	19-07-2004 10:48									#58
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AH sighting!

	19-07-2004 11:39									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Arnie won by a ****ing landslide as a Republican in the most liberal state in the union. I think the joke is on those who doubt him.

Interesting logic. Or rather, the lack thereof.

	19-07-2004 13:01									#60
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Did he say "girlie men" ?