20-07-2004 23:18									#61
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I can't think of a single Raider I would even consider, 'cept for maybe Jolley... Yet then, there are plenty of other TEs that are much better.

	20-07-2004 23:33									#62
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There is that Niners' bias . I could definetly consider a Raider for my (bench) 4th or 5th WR.

	20-07-2004 23:52									#63
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Imran, I thought we were doing 15 rounds again like last year... what happened to that? And is it possible to change to that if everyone agrees to it?

	20-07-2004 23:56									#64
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I figured that since we had one less starting position that 14 rounds would be better. It was 15 last year when we had 3 WR starting . That way you have ONE backup for each position. Allowing people to pick up a decent player from the waiver wire if, say, their star RB gets hurt.

If everyone agrees we could make it 15 total players, but I'd prefer 14, personally.

	21-07-2004 00:04									#65
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No, we didn't have fifteen last year. I remember adding a spot, because of the odd number. An even number of players is fairer.

	21-07-2004 00:20									#66
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What, because of the sepentine draft? By the 15th round, between mistakes and needs, it's gotten pretty random, hasn't it?

I don't really care how this goes, but we should settle it asap.

Where's Diss? I'd really like to draft Tiki before I leave work today.

	21-07-2004 00:20									#67
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Guess what... we were all wrong.

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We had 16 rounds last year - 9 starters, 7 bench spots. (We were going to do 15 originally, but I successfully petitioned for an extra bench spot in the middle of the draft.)

Still, I'd like that 7th bench player again - it makes things that much more flexible. And more flexibility means more competitive games. There should still be plenty of good players available - I've seen drafts for 9 positions and 8 bench spots that really don't yield any poor quality players in them...

	21-07-2004 00:22									#68
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We have 6 skill position starters, a kicker and a defense. Why not a reserve for each = 16 rounds?

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	21-07-2004 00:23									#69
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n/m

	21-07-2004 00:25									#70
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quote: We have 6 skill position starters, a kicker and a defense. Why not a reserve for each = 16 rounds?

Why do you need a Kicker reserve?

Besides, we have 2 RBs per team. 12 teams = 24 RBs. I'd rather not have teams stockpiling RBs, because not every team can have a backup RB which is starting in the NFL. That's the main reason I want a constricted bench. Any other position it doesn't matter, but RB is a problem.

	21-07-2004 00:26									#71
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quote: Originally posted by reismark Guess what... we were all wrong.

I wasn't.

Odd number of players is unfair for those later in the draft. An even-numbered draft gives everyone the same amount times to "go first".

	21-07-2004 00:30									#72
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Hmm... I didn't even think of that Zop. Good point!

	21-07-2004 00:33									#73
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quote: Besides, we have 2 RBs per team. 12 teams = 24 RBs. I'd rather not have teams stockpiling RBs, because not every team can have a backup RB which is starting in the NFL. That's the main reason I want a constricted bench. Any other position it doesn't matter, but RB is a problem.

There's a simple solution for that - convert one RB slot into a WR/RB slot. Some will go with 2 RBs and 2 WRs, and others will go with 1 RB and 3 WRs. It also limits the need to draft surplus RBs if you target good WRs, since you can plug in a WR during a RB's offweek instead of a middle-tier RB.

WRs might be more valuable in this league anyway since receptions count for points but rushing attempts don't...

	21-07-2004 00:34									#74
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quote: convert one RB slot into a WR/RB slot.

We already decided not to do that.

	21-07-2004 00:38									#75
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quote: Why do you need a Kicker reserve?

Kickers and defenses have bye weeks too, ya know.

quote: We already decided not to do that.

OK, cool. (I haven't been able to totally pay attention as is.)

So 14 it will be. Carry on then.

	21-07-2004 00:52									#76
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Who the Hell's turn is it?


BABAY!

	21-07-2004 00:53									#77
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quote: 5. The Flying Monkey Men take Kevan Barlow RB 49ers... and will be praying all season

Praying like teams don't act like it's 4th & Inches vs the 49ers? Yeah right

	21-07-2004 00:56									#78
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quote: BABAY!

BABAY? Best Available Bust At Yahoo?

	21-07-2004 00:56									#79
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quote: Who the Hell's turn is it?

Dissident. He's from Vegas, he needs time .

quote: Kickers and defenses have bye weeks too, ya know.

Waiver wire!

	21-07-2004 01:01									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius BABAY? Best Available Bust At Yahoo?

Give him Emmitt Smith, he'll understand.

	21-07-2004 01:03									#81
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Sorry, Sloww, but that counts

The proof is in the intent...

	21-07-2004 01:08									#82
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quote: Praying like teams don't act like it's 4th & Inches vs the 49ers?

What?! I didn't understand a thing in that sentence... too many "like"s... If your saying the 9ers will suck you will get no argument out of me.

	21-07-2004 01:13									#83
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I'm tired. It meant to say "Praying that teams don't act like it's 4th & Inches vs. the 9ers."

	21-07-2004 01:14									#84
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Regarding stockpiling, I don't see anything in the rules preventing it. Team profile just says "6 Bench players" so I assume that means they could all be kickers if you wanted.

NOOB Corner:
When you go to the waiver wire to cover defense or kicker in a bye week (or to replace an out-for-a-week-or-two injury), do you have to release someone as well? Would that player then be at risk of being claimed by someone else?

If so, then I think we should have reserves drafted for Kicker and Defense, too. Heck, why not? -- it would just be 2 rounds of BAPAY.

	21-07-2004 01:15									#85
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oh... It may look like it however.

	21-07-2004 01:19									#86
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit NOOB Corner: When you go to the waiver wire to cover defense or kicker in a bye week (or to replace an out-for-a-week-or-two injury), do you have to release someone as well? Would that player then be at risk of being claimed by someone else?

Yes, that's how I snatched Vanderjagt away from Sloth last season, huwahahah.

	21-07-2004 01:22									#87
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quote: I don't see anything in the rules preventing it. Team profile just says "6 Bench players" so I assume that means they could all be kickers if you wanted.

Yeah, but you'd want a full rounded bench, if you are rational, of course .

quote: NOOB Corner: When you go to the waiver wire to cover defense or kicker in a bye week (or to replace an out-for-a-week-or-two injury), do you have to release someone as well? Would that player then be at risk of being claimed by someone else?

Yes.

quote: If so, then I think we should have reserves drafted for Kicker and Defense, too. Heck, why not? -- it would just be 2 rounds of BAPAY.

Are you saying that everyone has to draft a one Kicker and Team D for the bench?

After all, though.. a backup RB can fill in for EITHER RB spot. You don't need two backup RBs and I think plenty in this league will only have one backup RB or WR.

	21-07-2004 01:24									#88
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In that case, I strongly favor having reserves for all 8 positions.

As I said, it's just 2 quick rounds at the end of the draft.
In fact, we could all agree to BAPAY one round each for defenses and kickers.

	21-07-2004 01:35									#89
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So does that mean that every teams bench MUST be QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-TE-K-D?

Like I said, 1 RB can backup 2 starting RBs and the same for WR. Last years league I had only 3 RBs, 1 backup for 2 starters.

	21-07-2004 02:02									#90
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In the case of RBs and WRs, it's too easy to make choices that result in multiple starters having to be benched in the same week due to byes...

And I absolutely *hate* having to drop a perfectly good 4th receiver because my kicker's going on a bye. It's downright annoying.

Put me down in favor of the expanded bench.