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9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran
By ADAM ZAGORIN AND JOE KLEIN




Friday, Jul. 16, 2004
Next week's much anticipated final report by a bipartisan commission on the origins of the 9/11 attacks will contain new evidence of contacts between al-Qaeda and Iran—just weeks after the Administration has come under fire for overstating its claims of contacts between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

A senior U.S. official told TIME that the Commission has uncovered evidence suggesting that between eight and ten of the 14 "muscle" hijackers—that is, those involved in gaining control of the four 9/11 aircraft and subduing the crew and passengers—passed through Iran in the period from October 2000 to February 2001. Sources also tell TIME that Commission investigators found that Iran had a history of allowing al-Qaeda members to enter and exit Iran across the Afghan border. This practice dated back to October 2000, with Iranian officials issuing specific instructions to their border guards—in some cases not to put stamps in the passports of al-Qaeda personnel—and otherwise not harass them and to facilitate their travel across the frontier. The report does not, however, offer evidence that Iran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attacks.

The senior official also told TIME that the report will note that Iranian officials approached the al-Qaeda leadership after the bombing of the USS Cole and proposed a collaborative relationship in future attacks on the U.S., but the offer was turned down by bin Laden because he did not want to alienate his supporters in Saudi Arabia.

The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

These findings follow a Commission staff report, released in June, which suggested that al-Qaeda may have collaborated with Hezbollah and its Iranian sponsors in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, a key American military barracks in Saudi Arabia. Previously, the attack had been attributed only to Hezbollah, with Iranian support. A U.S. indictment of bin Laden filed in 1998 for the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa said al-Qaeda "forged alliances . . . with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States." But the Commission comes to no firm conclusion on al-Qaeda's involvement in the Khobar disaster.

Since 9/11 the U.S. has held direct talks with Iran—and through intermediaries including Britain, Switzerland and Saudi Arabia—concerning the fate of scores of al-Qaeda that Iran has acknowleded are in the country, including an unspecified number of senior leaders, whom one senior U.S. official called al-Qaeda's "management council". The U.S. as well as the Saudis have unsuccessfully sought the repatriation of this group, which is widely thought to include Saad bin Laden, the son of Osama bin Laden, as well of other key al-Qaeda figures.


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Iran Top of Page
Location:
Middle East, bordering the Gulf of Oman, the Persian Gulf, and the Caspian Sea, between Iraq and Pakistan
Geographic coordinates:
32 00 N, 53 00 E
Map references:
Middle East
Area:
total: 1.648 million sq km
land: 1.636 million sq km
water: 12,000 sq km
Area - comparative:
slightly larger than Alaska
Land boundaries:
total: 5,440 km
border countries: Afghanistan 936 km, Armenia 35 km, Azerbaijan-proper 432 km, Azerbaijan-Naxcivan exclave 179 km, Iraq 1,458 km, Pakistan 909 km, Turkey 499 km, Turkmenistan 992 km
Coastline:
2,440 km; note - Iran also borders the Caspian Sea (740 km)
Maritime claims - as described in UNCLOS 1982 (see Notes and Definitions):
territorial sea: 12 NM
continental shelf: natural prolongation
contiguous zone: 24 NM
exclusive economic zone: bilateral agreements or median lines in the Persian Gulf
Climate:
mostly arid or semiarid, subtropical along Caspian coast
Terrain:
rugged, mountainous rim; high, central basin with deserts, mountains; small, discontinuous plains along both coasts
Elevation extremes:
lowest point: Caspian Sea -28 m
highest point: Kuh-e Damavand 5,671 m
Natural resources:
petroleum, natural gas, coal, chromium, copper, iron ore, lead, manganese, zinc, sulfur
Land use:
arable land: 10.17%
permanent crops: 1.16%
other: 88.67% (1998 est.)
Irrigated land:
75,620 sq km (1998 est.)
Natural hazards:
periodic droughts, floods; dust storms, sandstorms; earthquakes
Environment - current issues:
air pollution, especially in urban areas, from vehicle emissions, refinery operations, and industrial effluents; deforestation; overgrazing; desertification; oil pollution in the Persian Gulf; wetland losses from drought; soil degradation (salination); inadequate supplies of potable water; water pollution from raw sewage and industrial waste; urbanization
Environment - international agreements:
party to: Biodiversity, Climate Change, Desertification, Endangered Species, Hazardous Wastes, Marine Dumping, Ozone Layer Protection, Wetlands
signed, but not ratified: Environmental Modification, Law of the Sea, Marine Life Conservation
Geography - note:
strategic location on the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz, which are vital maritime pathways for crude oil transport
People Iran Top of Page
Population:
69,018,924 (July 2004 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 28% (male 9,935,527; female 9,411,647)
15-64 years: 67.2% (male 23,608,621; female 22,744,128)
65 years and over: 4.8% (male 1,645,246; female 1,673,755) (2004 est.)
Median age:
total: 23.5 years
male: 23.3 years
female: 23.7 years (2004 est.)
Population growth rate:
1.07% (2004 est.)
Birth rate:
17.1 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
Death rate:
5.53 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
Net migration rate:
-0.84 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.98 male(s)/female
total population: 1.04 male(s)/female (2004 est.)
Infant mortality rate:
total: 42.86 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 42.69 deaths/1,000 live births (2004 est.)
male: 43.01 deaths/1,000 live births
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 69.66 years
male: 68.31 years
female: 71.07 years (2004 est.)
Total fertility rate:
1.93 children born/woman (2004 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
less than 0.1% (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
20,000 (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
290 (2001 est.)
Nationality:
noun: Iranian(s)
adjective: Iranian
Ethnic groups:
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Religions:
Shi'a Muslim 89%, Sunni Muslim 9%, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i 2%
Languages:
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%
Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 79.4%
male: 85.6%
female: 73% (2003 est.)


In case you ever wanted to know just what Iran was...

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Iran was already on the list as one of the surviving members of the Axis of Evil.

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But did you think we'd definitly follow that, no matter how the Iraq situation turned out (and it turned out to be pretty bad)

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Do you seriously think that we're invading Iran?

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They have oil, I mean terrorists !!! The USA can get it, I mean them !!!

It will only cost a few hundred American lives (and tens of thousands of Iranians)...

Go for it !!

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Canada is closer.

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Can't go for Iran now...gotta leave something for Bush III.

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(and tens of thousands of Iranians)...


But remember! Theyre all TERRORISTS!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVESSS!11

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The Times of London had an article on our future plans regarding Iran a few days back. I'll see if I can dig it up...

edit: You have to pay to read the whole article. **** that. Anyway, here's the excerpt I read.

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THE US will mount a concerted attempt to overturn the regime in Iran if President Bush is elected for a second term.

It would work strenuously to foment a revolt against the ruling theocracy by Iran's "hugely dissatisfied" population, a senior official has told The Times.

The United States would not use military force, as in Iraq, but "if Bush is re-elected there will be much more intervention in the internal affairs of Iran", declared the official, who is determined that there should be no let-up in the Administration's War on Terror.

To what extent the official, known to be hawkish, was speaking for the White House was unclear, but his remarks are nevertheless likely to cause alarm in Europe. He hinted at a possible military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, saying that there was a window of opportunity for destroying Iran's main nuclear complex at Bushehr next year that would close if Russia delivered crucial fuel rods.


Sounds good to me...

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Interesting...

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Nearly 400 Al-Qaeda Members And Other Terror Suspects In Iran: Newspaper

AFP: 7/15/2004

DUBAI, July 15 (AFP) - Hundreds of alleged members of Al-Qaeda, including 18 of its top leaders, and other terror groups are living in Iran, some under tight security, Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reported Thursday.

"More than 384 members of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organisations are present in Iran, including 18 senior leaders of Osama bin Laden`s network," the London-based daily said, citing a senior source in the Iranian presidency.

The Saudi-owned newspaper said the terrorist leaders were living under tight protection, some of them in villas in the Namak Abrud region, near the town of Chalous on the Caspian coast, 100 kilometres (60 miles) north of Tehran.

Others are living in Lavizan, in the north-west of the capital, and which also houses a large military complex, it added.

The report could not be verified in Tehran.

According to the source, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad convinced Tehran, during his visit to Iran early this month, of the "seriousness" of using Al-Qaeda elements in Iran as a card in its policy with the United States.

As a consequence, Tehran handed over wanted Saudi militant Khaled bin Odeh bin Mohammed al-Harbi to the Saudi authorities, the source added.

Riyadh has said the disabled militant, suspected of being an Al-Qaeda figure close to bin Laden, surrendered on Tuesday under an amnesty after contacting the Saudi embassy in Iran.

In 2003, Iran confirmed it was holding senior Al-Qaeda members but refused to identify them. Tehran has said the detainees may stand trial in Iran.

Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi said last month his country had given Saudi Arabia some useful information concerning members of Osama bin Laden`s network that it was detaining.


http://www.turkishpress.com/turkish...ws.asp?ID=22309

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Asad Warning May Lead To Tehran's Change of Attitude

A recent visit to Iran by Syrian President Bashar Al Asat may be behind an expected change of attitude by Iran towards the al Qaeda suspects being protected by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, according to Iranian sources who spoke to Asharq Al Awsat. Asad supposedly told Iran about a U.S. plan to strike strategic Iranian locations after the U.S. elections in November and pointed out that the presence of al Qaeda members in the country could be used as justification. Sources told Asharq Al Awsat there were 384 members of terrorist organizations in Iran, including 18 al Qaeda leaders. Meanwhile, sources also told the paper that Khaled Al Harbi, who recently surrendered to Saudi authorities after pressure by Iran, was allegedly suspected of having relations with the CIA, which is why the Iranian RG separated him from the rest of the al Qaeda elements. (Asharq Al Awsat)


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/worl...DTR_040715.html

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Under Shrub's watch, the Iranian Reformists have gone from a powerful political movement to a completely marginalized force. Highly effective formentation of a revolt, there.

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Yes, because the Reformists in Iran would EVER have been anything but marginalized with the conservatives at the top? Get real, Ramo. Elections of moderates was one thing, but they really weren't allowed to do jack.

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Nice try, Ramo...

edi: Damn, you got Imran. Not bad at all!

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I'm merely pointing out that the climate of repression (closing down papers, clamping down on women rights, etc.) is much stronger now than it was before Shrub took office.

The Reformists were allowed to get various important things done. They were unable to change the political system, but that's exactly the point.

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You're pushing the troll too far, now. You have to dangle the bait briefly if you want to be successful. Repeated offerings just expose your true intentions.

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Oh for the love of God Ramo. A reformist movement that can not actually make any substantive reforms can hardly be described as a "powerful political force." (TM)

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Jesus, first Imran, now DinoDoc? Maybe you should be the one giving me lessons...

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Thanks, I try.

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Only if you actually think he was trolling in the first place. It's an easy thing to say (I was just trolling! Honest!) after you've been caught with your pants down.

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Come on, Imran. I don't agree with Ramo on much, but I know that he's not a moron. And it would take a moron to seriously argue that Bush had some sort of effect on the destruction of the Iranian reform movement. It was an obvious troll.

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Come on, Imran. I don't agree with Ramo on much, but I know that he's not a moron.
Optimism isn't always a virtue.

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... um... I've actually read articles in the past 2 years asserting what you say Ramo 'trolled'.

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Optimism isn't always a virtue.


I could never be described as optimistic. Naive is more appropriate, if I am indeed wrong in this case.

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... um... I've actually read articles in the past 2 years asserting what you say Ramo 'trolled'.


Hell, I'm reading something right now about how the Japanese were influenced by ancient Israelites. That doesn't mean I'm not taking the piss if I mention it.

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Guys, don't get your panties in a twist. Dear Leader certainly didn't help the Reformists (mostly be creating a climate where conservative arguments were more effective), but he was clearly not responsible for the total dissolution of the movement. The responsibilty for that lies primarily with the pussified nature of the movement's leaders, especially President Khatami.

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Hopefully we'll do it so you guys don't have to, Eli.

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And it would take a moron to seriously argue that Bush had some sort of effect on the destruction of the Iranian reform movement.

Well the "Axis of Evil" rhetoric certainly didn't help, but Bush's influence on the Iranian situation (while probably negative) has been marginal at best.

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But.... Iran are Shia...... Al-Q are Wahabi fundamentalists... They're as closely linked as Iraq and Al-Q were

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Do people still honestly believe that there is a fundamental and uncrossable divide that now and forever seperates fundamentalist Shiites and fundamentalist Sunnis? Or was that just another troll?

 
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