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Ouro_827 is offline Ouro_827
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Planet Busting Mind Worms? Full PM-box? Change here!

I remember someone... I think it was Geo, saying how to alter the alphax file to create these? Anyone want to remind me?

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Put an end to popups!

It takes great skill, magic, perseverance, and uranium. Lots and lots of uranium...

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Ah, for a second I thought Obstructors' thread was dredged up.

Yes, you can insert these in the #UNITS section of the alpha(x).txt file.

Change one of the native units (mw's, IoD's, Sealurks or Fungal Towers) from a psi weapon to a planet busting weapon. Changing their chassis to gravship helps a lot as well...

If needs I can copy an appropriate line for the unit here.

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Quickest way is to find a line in your Alpha/Alphax.txt file (works for both), find for example mindworm line (you can do it for all lifeforms), and change it to look like this:
Mind Worms, Gravship, Planet Buster,Psi, 5, 5, 0, CentEmp, 3, 00000000000000000000000000

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Remember that that Planet Buster defends as a psi unit...

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Perhaps even more realistically, psi fungus missiles. Now wouldn't that be interesting?

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Remember that that Planet Buster defends as a psi unit...


But remember a majority of these will show up next to naughty eco-damage producing bases one turn, and detonate the next. Keeps players on their toes, IMO...


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Yes, it does...

But the idea of those busters is that they're planetoids on a collision course, thus giving them antimatter-plate or sth ensures there survival in the turn before 'dropping'.

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

why would I want mind worms planet busting my ass?

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To have a challenge...

A lot of members are complaining that SP games are not challenging enough, so this is a way to make it so. Your best city suddenly goes boom by a roll of the dice. Can you handle it?

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Can I handle it?

(Commy reloads the game to generate another randomizer)

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I hate losing my best city. It's not the city itself that is bad, but losing the SP's.

Losing things like the Telepathic Matrix when you have Cloning Vats and your base population is near 30 for every base is not fun.

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Usually by the time you got such large populations and a lot of SP's you also should have an extensive sensor array network and native life defenses, not to mention Flechettes and ODP's. And there is a window in which you can attack native life before it strikes you after a pop up.

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I hate losing my best city. It's not the city itself that is bad, but losing the SP's.

Losing things like the Telepathic Matrix when you have Cloning Vats and your base population is near 30 for every base is not fun.



By then the game is won anyway--

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And there is a window in which you can attack native life before it strikes you after a pop up.


Not in TCP/IP games! Native life is much more dangerous then!

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Depends if it's played turn based or everyone at once AFAIK TCP/IP protocols...

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By then the game is won anyway--


yes, but it's still an annoyance.

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I hate losing my best city. It's not the city itself that is bad, but losing the SP's.

Losing things like the Telepathic Matrix when you have Cloning Vats and your base population is near 30 for every base is not fun.


Once I was playing as the Caretakers so I had my headquarters build all the SPs so it would get as much energy as posible, but I had no ODP so the Pirates destroyed the base and every SP in the game, and those took a lot of work to build, I don't think I even used crawlers.

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I have had that happen before as well, playing as the gaians, so of course, no free market, no heavy industry, so the work involved in getting 30 SPs is, well, simply put, A LOT...

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why would I want mind worms planet busting my ass?


Who said they were gonna bust your a55? I finally got a game to the point where the aliens started PB'ing cities, and instead of my cities why the aliens have nuked 2 of Sven's cities!?!
The only reason I can figure is because he's running FM, as he's not generating enough minerals in any of his cities to really piss off Planet (unlike myself who has a handful of cities producing 30+ min's).

I've also given the MW's and spore launchers a cloak, and the alien naval units the marine detachment capability - makes for added fun! The Believers have a really hard time in this format, and I've noticed that, of all Factions playetsted, Cha Dawn really has a tough time getting going for some reason!

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Is there any way to create another set of native life units, rather then editing them? I wanted to keep the original mind worms. Or their rarity?

Fungal missile ability native life...hmm, maybe with tectonic to boot?

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Fungal missile ability native life...hmm, maybe with tectonic to boot?


Hmmm - actually that works nicely for me! Instead of killing the base with a nuke, it just gets mucked up with fungus!

quote:
Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Is there any way to create another set of native life units, rather then editing them? I wanted to keep the original mind worms. Or their rarity?


SmackSim is doing some work with the MW's in his Aldebaran mod. I've also generated a different 8th Faction to replace the MW's, spore launchers, Sealurks etc. You can see some after action reports
here . FYI.

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