23-07-2004 11:30									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Blech. I missed it.

So did I.

If you're still taking orders, sell all 4 commerce in Feudality.

	23-07-2004 15:21									#62
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I think we should go back to the 3 day session, too many people missed out on this one.

	23-07-2004 19:32									#63
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I would like to save my shield because I thought I could use my vassal as the only labor.

	23-07-2004 21:08									#64
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Ghengis please include me.

I bid $1 on 1 labourer in X.

I sell one food in Futility

Esoteric. I pay you 1 commerce for the use of Uber's vassal and a shield. Or I pay you the sum of 15 gold for it.

With Uber's vassal, my own vassal and a labourer of X I build a Hardware store, using two shields of my own and an add itional shield from Esoteric.

Aidun

	23-07-2004 21:10									#65
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Why should he include you?

	23-07-2004 22:43									#66
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I don't think is going to be an official trading session afterall. I'm pulling out of the running sessions so I can continue to be a member of this DemoGame.

	24-07-2004 00:57									#67
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Would someone be interested in loaning me their vassal for a turn now? In exchange I would be willing to loan mine for a turn later on.

	24-07-2004 02:48									#68
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I could go for that TR - I'll need one myself soon to build a storehouse

	24-07-2004 03:38									#69
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I think I'd like to build an Eatery in X, but I'm not quite sure if I can do that...

	24-07-2004 05:04									#70
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX I think I'd like to build an Eatery in X, but I'm not quite sure if I can do that...

I think we should replay turn session 2, but we need to figure out how we are going to run the turn session. Anyone have any suggestions?

	24-07-2004 05:42									#71
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well if we want to do a trade session, I thnink that's what y'all mean, not turn session..... with an admin that is not a land owner... now that's a sticky wicket, is it not?????

	24-07-2004 06:07									#72
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The only way I've ever done it is manually, as I know absolutely nothing about MySQL. I don't see what would be wrong with an alternate method if someone comes up with one.

	24-07-2004 09:40									#73
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I would be fine with a defined start and cutoff time, and defined lengths.

12:00am Day 1 to 11:59pm Day 1 is when you set the rate voting. 12:00am Day 2 to 11:59pm Day 3 is when trading occurs. GMT, or forum time, or whatever. Just so the schedual is set and doesn't varry. The creation of the thread would be sometime before 12:00am Day 1, and actual tabulation of results could be done whenever is easiest after 11:59pm Day 3 (Day 1 in regards to vote splits).

Forum time would probably be the easiest to use. That way posts can very easily be identified whether they occurred before or after the time cutoff.

	25-07-2004 23:02									#74
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Are we done? Are we replaying this?

	26-07-2004 04:02									#75
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It appears that I will be using estoeric's vassal to help mine complete the store house.

	26-07-2004 04:11									#76
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I think this session is either done or in contention, Tora. I was thinking of session 3, or session 2 redone for that trade, btw.

	26-07-2004 05:37									#77
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Well it is not played, so if it is kept I want to make sure it is in.

	26-07-2004 17:51									#78
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I hope at least that my trades will be included. Ghengis are you going to include them?

Esoteric, do you agree with my offer?

Aidun

	26-07-2004 17:54									#79
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Why doesn't someone start a poll with the following options:
1) Trade Session 2 transactions are valid that were done within its first 48 hours.

2) Trade Session 2 transactions are valid that were done within its first 72 hours.

3) Trade Session 2 transactions are all invalid.

	26-07-2004 21:22									#80
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No, that's stupid. I didn't know that we could still play after 48 hours, so I didn't sell/buy anything.

	26-07-2004 22:01									#81
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So, I take it that's a vote for option 3?

	26-07-2004 22:24									#82
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option 3

When do we start to calculate the general upkeep of the Vassals and city labor in, GF? Doesn't my vassal require 1 food per session in upkeep?

Your new posted rules are great, nice to see something in the way of consolidation. Labor should really be more defined, and what about skilled labor such as carpenters. I notice I have a lot of trees on my land, and naturally I would like to get the most out of thiings as they stand now. So, I thought about putting together a skilled force of stone masons, carpenters, and possible a blacksmith or two- a basic construction company let's call it.

But there isn't anything in existence in the rules currently about our 4th basic resource, beyond how we acquire our first, free, self-maintaining slave.

Last edited by Esoteric on 26-07-2004 at 22:33

	26-07-2004 22:38									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Esoteric option 3 But there isn't anything in existence in the rules currently about our 4th basic resource, beyond how we acquire our first, free, self-maintaining slave.

In the $MiniGame a new Vassal was put up for auction for every Worker we captured from another civ. Vassals required 1 Food for every 2 Vassals you had, any odd Vassal wasn't considered to require food, so 1 Vassal required no Food, 2 Vassals required 1 Food, 3 Vassals required 1 Food, etc.

It was also proposed to have Carpenters, Masons, and such but wasn't implemented due to many players feeling it would make the game too complicated.

	26-07-2004 23:08									#84
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But we can have a variety of Alcohols with own markets and still consider it 'simple'?

	26-07-2004 23:43									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Esoteric But we can have a variety of Alcohols with own markets and still consider it 'simple'?

How would you propose we implement them? The reason they were left out in the $MiniGame was because they didn't do anything that wasn't already capable of being done.

	27-07-2004 03:04									#86
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How about a simple 1 commerce/per job + vassal = vassal capable of doing 2x labor of the job type (ie. specialist)? The commerce would signify training/education costs and incentive.

So a "carpenter" would be a vassal + 1 commerce, and could work 2 shields on a build instead of one. A "brewer" would be the same, but could create 2 beer out of 4 food and a commerce. Each session would require the creation/maintanence fee of 1 commerce for the specialization.

This would help give commerce a role in building things. As it is now, food supports vassals, shields are applied directly to builds, but commerce only seems to exist to be sold/traded? (Unless there is something I am missing... unit support?)

	27-07-2004 04:17									#87
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Hmm, I like it. Except for the Brewer part, my thinking being that hiring more people or better people wouldn't allow you to brew more beer. The quantity would be more dependant on the vats and equipment. I could see a Brewer making a higher quality beer that could sell for a bonus though. Sort of brewing Heineken versus Milwaukee's Best.

So, would you "train" a specialist for a turn then he would be that specialist the following turn?

Another possibilty would be the construction of a Lumber Mill that could convert shields from Forest tiles into Lumber. Lumber could be used the same as Shields, with a Lumber Mill creating 2 Lumber from 1 raw Shield. (Trust me, its going to be the lack of shields that are going to hurt us in building construction.)

	27-07-2004 06:54									#88
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For ease of use I'd just say the turn of the building you'd say "Using vassal + 1 commerce to convert 2 shields into X".

The idea that beer from a brewer (probably any finished goods from a specialist) would have a price bonus instead of quantity bonus is a good one.

	27-07-2004 08:57									#89
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Nice follow up- I completely agree with your proposal Aeson.

	27-07-2004 20:30									#90
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Option 2.

I like the Specialist idea.