22-07-2004 17:37									#1
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Got something wierd going on in my current game:
I'm pacted with Myriam and Yang (while in a democracy!) with a very thin defense (6 probe plasmas for 15 bases)

My pact bro and sis have so much pity with me they are giving me units. I got 50 units in 10 turns!
Since i'm morgan, they cripled my production, I now just disband the units (in a city of course), while they keep on giving units.
What is their goal? Why are they so sweet to me? I don't trust them ...

Greetz

	22-07-2004 17:55									#2
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If you look militarily weak, a nearby AI pact mate will gift you unit after unit-- It does cripple production supporting these but you are already doing the best thing and disbanding them for the minerals. Just enjoy it dor as long as it continues and think of it as a gift of minerals

	22-07-2004 18:21									#3
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Are they gifting there latest (advanced) units or just their old rubble?

Gifting the old stuff to you makes production free for their latest tech units off course...

	22-07-2004 21:43									#4
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If you upgrade them all with high weapons and clean reactors, while expensive, it will save a lot of time, and your military will be a lot better.

	23-07-2004 03:40									#5
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AI Yang particularly can get out of control gifting units. I once built an entire SP out of submissive Yang's obsolete units.

	23-07-2004 03:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by RedFred AI Yang particularly can get out of control gifting units. I once built an entire SP out of submissive Yang's obsolete units.

yup -- I love it

There is really no downside to these gifts if you can disband them quickly-- The disband value of even the crappiest unit will exceed its support cost

	23-07-2004 05:55									#7
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I also consider them as gifts of mineral packets, usually disbanding them to hurry SP's or expensive units (because they are more expensive to rushbuy). Altough sometimes I keep them around as defenders, especially the better morale and more easily upgraded ones.

edit: I also sometimes just give them back, like if due to some convolution of territory it'll take ages to get it to a base to disband.

Last edited by Blake on 23-07-2004 at 07:55

	23-07-2004 06:48									#8
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Or what you can do to tick them off is give them back, or better yet, give them to their enemies...

	23-07-2004 06:49									#9
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yeah, that's fun indeed!!

	24-07-2004 18:56									#10
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Miriam is a very strange girl. At a certain moment she give 5 units (her best attack units), decides to give up the pact, then decides to go to war, and attacks the units she has just given to me. Because that were her best units she loses 7 units to kill those 5 and 10 turns later she enters a submissive pact with me ...


AI is verrrry strange.

Last edited by -SafaN- on 24-07-2004 at 20:28

	24-07-2004 20:17									#11
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Had to start a war to feel good about herself. Ah, Miriam, relax, will ya?

	24-07-2004 23:04									#12
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Nah, those high tech units didn't appeal to hear fundamental wordview... But now -SafaN- can direct her with a firm hand. Lucky girl!

	25-07-2004 17:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by -SafaN- Miriam is a very strange girl. At a certain moment she give 5 units (her best attack units), decides to give up the pact, then decides to go to war, and attacks the units she has just given to me. Because that were her best units she loses 7 units to kill those 5 and 10 turns later she enters a submissive pact with me ... AI is verrrry strange.

	25-07-2004 22:29									#14
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Or like the time I unleashed mindworms into the wild, and of course, being Diedre, she had to capture them and give them back to me...

	26-07-2004 06:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by -SafaN- Miriam is a very strange girl. At a certain moment she give 5 units (her best attack units), decides to give up the pact, then decides to go to war, and attacks the units she has just given to me. Because that were her best units she loses 7 units to kill those 5 and 10 turns later she enters a submissive pact with me ... AI is verrrry strange.

One time Miriam declared war on me right after I built the Empath Guild, along with just about everyone else. She didn't even call me up and announce it, I simply got the message. Almost 100 years later I finally see her first unit approaching in a Unity foil. On board is her free scout patrol. As she presents no threat to me I allow her to approach my shores rather than be sunk by my shard copters. Breathlessly I await the outcome of our first face to face encounter. The Unity foil approaches one of my bases and Miriam appears on my viewscreen, and immediately surrenders completely!

	26-07-2004 08:42									#16
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...as you do.

	27-07-2004 17:18									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander One time Miriam declared war on me right after I built the Empath Guild, along with just about everyone else. She didn't even call me up and announce it, I simply got the message. Almost 100 years later I finally see her first unit approaching in a Unity foil. On board is her free scout patrol. As she presents no threat to me I allow her to approach my shores rather than be sunk by my shard copters. Breathlessly I await the outcome of our first face to face encounter. The Unity foil approaches one of my bases and Miriam appears on my viewscreen, and immediately surrenders completely!

I've experienced exactly the same thing, on a huge world with rather harsh settings, Miriam went to great lengths to get a ship from her flat arid island to my thriving continent, unloaded a scout patrol and immediately surrended. I think for me the encounter went like this:

Miriam: Give me technology X.
Me: No.
Miriam: I surrender!

Well she got some tech out of the deal, and i helped terraform her god-forsaken island (sent a sea former), so it may have been a case of AI brilliance?

	27-07-2004 17:19									#18
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Or player stupidity?

	28-07-2004 04:39									#19
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I once had someone who wasn't my pact borther/sister gift me a unit. We only had a treaty of friendship (but we did have a common enemy). Anyone have that happen?

	28-07-2004 05:18									#20
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Not I.

How DO you release MWs into the wild, anyway?

	28-07-2004 07:17									#21
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Try and give them to someone when you aren't within any faction's borders.

	28-07-2004 07:19									#22
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You can do it anywhere. It's the same as turning over control (ctl/shift/U), except that with native life you get the message:

Attachment: release.gif
This has been downloaded 70 time(s).

	28-07-2004 13:11									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I once had someone who wasn't my pact borther/sister gift me a unit. We only had a treaty of friendship (but we did have a common enemy). Anyone have that happen?

Yeah, I did. PK's when I was Gaians and both of us were fighting Believers or Spartans, don't exaclty remember...

	28-07-2004 19:53									#24
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can you turn a supply crawler over to another human controlled faction in a Pbem??

I tried it and the crawler physically disappeared from the tile it was on. Using F7, I saw it was still listed as existing with its original faction (it was unique) and was NOT listed with the new faction.

The problem was I could NOT find the darn thing anywhere . Any ideas??

	28-07-2004 22:16									#25
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I had that problem recently, paniced and sent the save to Googlie (UnfBus players now know what the question was ). It turned up safe and sound on the other side though.

	30-07-2004 07:52									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber The problem was I could NOT find the darn thing anywhere . Any ideas??

It was then "in limbo" - not under your control, but still "of your faction" until the giftee opened the turn, whence it became his unit, under his control, and then "of his faction".

With Chaunk, it was muddied as there was a pactmate's unit on that tile as well, which he could see, but even clicking on that tile ("move cursor to here") only revealed his pactmate's unit.

Opening the next turn (the pactmate's) however saw the unit now firmly under his (the pactmate's) control